- Chutney music in English/Bhojpuri https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BdntneR3no&list=OLAK5uy_n16...
- Tassa drumming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhjBvibXfHE (note how the syncopated bass beat resembles reggaeton)
My speculation is that the Afro-Latino Soca and Reggaeton rhythms were also influenced by music from India - specifically Bihar
The same goes for chinese, japanese and filipino "slaves". In official capacity, they may not have been called slaves, but unofficially, they were. There are old portguese books that claimed japanese made the best slaves. And there was a british viceroy who claimed indians made the best slaves.
> Guyanese are often considered "Hispanic" in the U.S.
Maybe in official documents but certainly not in everyday life. Guyanese are considered and treated like indians or 'hindus' and they themselves view themselves as indians, not hispanic.
"Latin America" has multiple definitions. Most of those definitions do exclude English-speaking Belize and Guyana (and Dutch-speaking Suriname).
What you say about the US just being one of the American countries is correct, and it's often a source of confusion (intended or not)
You are right. But also the term Latino "creates" Latin America, which are the countries Latinos come from. And then also a subculture of immigrants in the US, which funnily is a bit excluding of Brazilians as not real Latinos (as there is also a expectation that everybody below the US speaks Spanish).
You should have stopped right there.
Latino is a US term to refer to people in the US by their origin.
Outside of the US people use Latinoamérica to refer to the central and South American former colonies of France, Portugal and Spain.
Iberoamérica is used too if you want to be more specific and exclude the French colonies
Oh yeah it's very funny when you start the "actually Quebec is part of Latin America, but the Guyanas aren't, except for French Guiana, which isn't actually a country, and about Louisiana...."
It's a bit of a complex issue since it's the US taking over a term or culture and normalising it as the only valid one.
Imagine explaining this to middle-America.
The British Cellular Jail on the Andaman Islands were considered double jeopardy because of this as well.
The article says “My major historical sources include a 1992 US Military-commissioned study of Guyana and Belize. No, I have no idea why they lumped those two countries together”
This seems to be the connection: only mainland countries south of USA primarily English speaking. (Of course both related to British colonialism)
I thought everyone could do this
Which one?
An indentured worker and a slave are not the same thing. While one would prefer to be neither of those things, generally the former voluntarily entered into the arrangement (or in lieu of prison), were bound for a fixed term, weren't considered property, and had at least some legal recourse. Were some indentured workers de-facto slaves? Almost certainly. That doesn't mean they were the same thing though.
Frankly, I think the reason that it is not more often referred to as slavery is because it wasn’t officially referred to as such contemporaneously. But there is legitimate debate around the differences between Indian indentured servitude and slavery.
The author's heavy reliance on a historical narative authored by the U.S. military probably contributed to the rather sanitized recounting of the role Britain had in imigrating 286,000 Indians to Guyana.
I am curious to know if anyone else here shares this history in their family.
I suppose it's because they weren't. It's sort of fashionable to compare hard conditions to slavery in many fields, but back in those times the difference would be obvious.
- Guayana and nearby places were British colonies.
- there's a vast Indian (i.e. descended from India) population in Guyana and nearby places brought over by the British as "indentured workers" (for some reason, Indians were never officially called "slaves" by the British) in sugarcane plantations. (Interesting to me because I'm from India).
- Guyana speaks English.
- Yes, there are countries in "Latin" America that speak English. There are also countries that mainly speak French.
- Guyanese are often considered "Hispanic" in the U.S. though they are "Anglo". In fact Guyanese and Belizeans are able to pick and choose what to indicate on forms regarding their ethnicity, as it suits them.
- My favorite Salsa dance teacher in the U.S. has the last name "Persaud" and looks "Latino". Took me about 15 years to realize he was of Indian stock (though might be mixed with Latino).
- if Guyana had lower crime, and a well-organized economy, I'd move there in a heartbeat. They speak English, have good weather, and have massive oil deposits.