I certainly remember hateful women lambasting men, including myself, for things like saying a woman is attractive.
Also Obama just said: "[P]art of it makes me think, and I’m speaking to men directly… that, well, you just aren’t feeling the idea of having a woman as president, and you’re coming up with other alternatives and other reasons for that."
I wonder what he meant? That men are sexist because we don’t want a woman president? Or maybe that they wouldn’t vote because they’re heading to the grocery store or something?
It's really easy to find instances of right-wing politicans or pundits saying abhorrent things about women as a group (refer to my previous comment), but no one seems to care. On the other hand Obama makes vague implications that sexist bias may negatively influence their candidates and now half the country hates men.
When will the left learn?
stop the hate, stop looking for evidence and just freaking listen to people’s perspectives. that’s what this entire voting thing is supposed to be about.
As a cisgender heterosexual white man myself, I can't recall any piece of legislation, passed or proposed, that would discriminate against me based on those adjectives. I have never felt any kind of animosity toward myself coming from democrats.
If you really want examples of hate, go listen to literally any talk from Trump and cie. on gays, lesbians, muslims, blacks, puerto ricans, transgender people, jews, single women, atheists, political opponents...
So, I don't require absolute evidence, just any evidence that the democrats have an anti-men agenda. Like the Republicans have an overt anti-lgbt agenda, through laws like "don't say gay", bans on same-sex marriages, redefining sex (a scientific term) in the law...
You seem to be under the opinion that there has to be a legislative policy or that it needs to have been said by a politician for it to affect someones sentiment, opinion, and voting choice. It doesn't.
This said as somebody who did not vote for Trump, not that I liked the other candidate that much though either. There is clear evidence of blatant hateful rhetoric towards men to the point of being considered okay to just openly talk hatefully about men that by nature of cause and affect has also led to growing blatant anti-female rhetoric, and it is driving younger males towards the right by simple gender divide. The right is just better at capitalizing on it.
I know of no mainstream liberal figure that have spoken hateful words against men as a group, while I can rewatch the latest RNC and find many instances of abhorrent speech towards minorities.
They are still plenty of white men on TV and in the movies, I have never been insulted because of who I am. I have plenty of LGBT friends who could not care less about my "orthodoxy" and are perfectly happy to spend time with me.
Why do you do these broad generalizations where you demonize an entire group, when it's exactly the problem you have (or, perceive you have..) with how "the left" speak?
But sure, label each and everyone is hateful, you're not tribal at all.
Again, fucking cite a source. You can't feel you're being demonised if nobody ever said anything against you. Stop and try to think for a second or two. (And no, me telling you you're stupid for victimising yourself with no proof doesn't mean "the left" is demonising you, because I'm not American).
> stop looking for evidence and just freaking listen to people’s perspectives
What? Stop looking for evidence and listen to people's feelings? How about people grow a brain and start looking at facts?
We are citing sources, our opinion. Give up with the evidence, it will get you nowhere.
If not, well, uh, your opinion is wrong. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. You broke them badly and repeatedly in this thread, ignoring the admonition at the top. Not cool.
When Trump is being a bully (which he does often) you say "grow a thicker skin, you fragile flower!"
When people criticize Trump you say "you are being hatful bullies!"
It is just ridiculous that you guys can dish it out but can't take it. Grow up.
sorry you’re wrong.
Also, it was disgruntled right-wingers who tried to kill him, so it's more likely it was his own hateful rhetoric and his own actions (like pedophilia) that motivated the would be assassins.
Keep denying it, we’re all watching. It will certainly help your cause right?
I love how whenever someone on the left says they're offended by something outrageous and awful, the right says "grow a thicker skin, snowflake", but whenever someone on the left calmly asserts an obvious truth, that bias exists, people on the right whine that they're being attacked and their way of life is being destroyed.
I'm a man and I don't think the Democratic party "hates me". Maybe Republicans need to grow a thicker skin and stop being offended by every little thing. (See, I can be an asshole and argue in bad faith too!)
Meanwhile, Trump has said that you should grab them by the P-word, Vance has criticized "childless cat ladies" as if being a single woman should be a crime. I can go on and on, it really is that simple.