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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by thrance on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:56AM (#42062325)
Kamala being a woman absolutely had a negative impact on her results. That is probably not the main reason she lost though. Again, do you have any real proof that the left is systematically antagonizing men, or can you only provide anecdotal evidence?

It's really easy to find instances of right-wing politicans or pundits saying abhorrent things about women as a group (refer to my previous comment), but no one seems to care. On the other hand Obama makes vague implications that sexist bias may negatively influence their candidates and now half the country hates men.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tekknik on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:09AM (#42062514)
I mean you can ignore it, you have a direct quote from Obama. Ignoring it will not get the results you want.

When will the left learn?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by thrance on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:34AM (#42062867)
I don't get what you're trying to prove with Obama's quote. Is pointing out the existence of a sexist bias the same as taking an anti-men stance? Is being anti-racist the same as being anti-white? If some believe those things then right-wing propaganda really has succeded into making their brains impervious to logic, and I'm afraid nothing the democrats can say will undo that.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tekknik on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:28PM (#42065791)
the point is dems are a hateful group that attempt to force alignment via name calling and other childish tactics. men in this country have been demonized by the left repeatedly. people try to point it out, and the response is the same, “show be absolute evidence that i still won’t believe”.

stop the hate, stop looking for evidence and just freaking listen to people’s perspectives. that’s what this entire voting thing is supposed to be about.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by thrance on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:16PM (#42066665)
Yes, sorry, I in fact require you to provide me some evidence before I believe your insane take of "the left is demonizing men".

As a cisgender heterosexual white man myself, I can't recall any piece of legislation, passed or proposed, that would discriminate against me based on those adjectives. I have never felt any kind of animosity toward myself coming from democrats.

If you really want examples of hate, go listen to literally any talk from Trump and cie. on gays, lesbians, muslims, blacks, puerto ricans, transgender people, jews, single women, atheists, political opponents...

So, I don't require absolute evidence, just any evidence that the democrats have an anti-men agenda. Like the Republicans have an overt anti-lgbt agenda, through laws like "don't say gay", bans on same-sex marriages, redefining sex (a scientific term) in the law...

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Jcampuzano2 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:03PM (#42068473)
The video linked at the top of this thread is the evidence you asked for, have you even watched it? It doesn't matter if you consider that person a viable source or not, it has clear examples of men being demonized by left leaning sources. So much so that it leaks into pop culture/media. Men clearly feel like they are no longer welcome in many spaces, or are lesser/undervalued. I'm not here to comment on whether thats deserved or not, but it has consequences.

You seem to be under the opinion that there has to be a legislative policy or that it needs to have been said by a politician for it to affect someones sentiment, opinion, and voting choice. It doesn't.

This said as somebody who did not vote for Trump, not that I liked the other candidate that much though either. There is clear evidence of blatant hateful rhetoric towards men to the point of being considered okay to just openly talk hatefully about men that by nature of cause and affect has also led to growing blatant anti-female rhetoric, and it is driving younger males towards the right by simple gender divide. The right is just better at capitalizing on it.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by thrance on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:16PM (#42069535)
To be clear, you can find people hating on any group you could come up with. But let's be real here, the hate is largely coming from one side, and that one is not the dems.

I know of no mainstream liberal figure that have spoken hateful words against men as a group, while I can rewatch the latest RNC and find many instances of abhorrent speech towards minorities.

They are still plenty of white men on TV and in the movies, I have never been insulted because of who I am. I have plenty of LGBT friends who could not care less about my "orthodoxy" and are perfectly happy to spend time with me.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tekknik on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:51PM (#42073199)
you’ve convinced nobody not already convince. all you’ve done is further the divide and hurt your party. good job.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by matsemann on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:27PM (#42068820)
> the point is dems are a hateful group

Why do you do these broad generalizations where you demonize an entire group, when it's exactly the problem you have (or, perceive you have..) with how "the left" speak?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tekknik on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:53PM (#42073208)
any leftists that aren’t hateful are trying to leave the party and create a new one. or attempting to save the existing party. there is no non hateful democrat doing nothing
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by matsemann on Thursday November 07, 2024 @03:17AM (#42074676)
No true scotsman.

But sure, label each and everyone is hateful, you're not tribal at all.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sofixa on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:45PM (#42066119)
> men in this country have been demonized by the left repeatedly

Again, fucking cite a source. You can't feel you're being demonised if nobody ever said anything against you. Stop and try to think for a second or two. (And no, me telling you you're stupid for victimising yourself with no proof doesn't mean "the left" is demonising you, because I'm not American).

> stop looking for evidence and just freaking listen to people’s perspectives

What? Stop looking for evidence and listen to people's feelings? How about people grow a brain and start looking at facts?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tekknik on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:52PM (#42073203)
> Again, fucking cite a source.

We are citing sources, our opinion. Give up with the evidence, it will get you nowhere.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sofixa on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:19AM (#42073639)
I genuinely hope this is satire or a form of trolling I'm not familiar with it.

If not, well, uh, your opinion is wrong. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tekknik on Thursday November 07, 2024 @01:34AM (#42074044)
I generally hope you wake up. Your attempt at shame has failed. Try again.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dang on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:29PM (#42088659)
You also broke the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread, ignoring the admonition at the top. That's seriously not cool. We have to ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dang on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:28PM (#42088634)
You can't post like this here, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do it, so please don't do it again.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. You broke them badly and repeatedly in this thread, ignoring the admonition at the top. Not cool.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sofixa on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:39PM (#42088755)
Yeah, sorry, I got extremely irritated that people would cite unsubstantiated feelings as proof of what someone else did.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:30PM (#42065816)
That is totally the pot calling the kettle.

When Trump is being a bully (which he does often) you say "grow a thicker skin, you fragile flower!"

When people criticize Trump you say "you are being hatful bullies!"

It is just ridiculous that you guys can dish it out but can't take it. Grow up.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tekknik on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:53PM (#42073213)
Yet your rhetoric has caused two attempts at a presidents life, and likely more will come.

sorry you’re wrong.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sofixa on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:29AM (#42073689)
Former president. If he were president when people tried to kill him, he wouldn't be eligible to run again.

Also, it was disgruntled right-wingers who tried to kill him, so it's more likely it was his own hateful rhetoric and his own actions (like pedophilia) that motivated the would be assassins.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tekknik on Thursday November 07, 2024 @01:35AM (#42074052)
Not former. The next president. And they most definitely tried to kill him.

Keep denying it, we’re all watching. It will certainly help your cause right?