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Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by rockbruno on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:50AM (#42076620)
I was always fascinated by people who can pull things like this off. Had a similar feeling reading about how the CarThing was cracked a couple of days ago. How do you get started with something like this? Is it just having a ton of knowledge about hardware / lower-level OSes?
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by jareklupinski on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:40AM (#42077000)
> How do you get started with something like this?

passion is an important part of it, i think almost every obstacle can be eventually overcome if you have the reason to do so

personally if i owned a CarThing, enjoyed using it, and knew it was going to be EOL'd, i would try my best to keep it from becoming e-waste

documenting it makes it even better, since then everyone can share in your passion

Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by Retr0id on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:34AM (#42076949)
> Is it just having a ton of knowledge about hardware / lower-level OSes?

Pretty much, yes. And knowing about common exploit strategies (the crypto engine partial overwrite for example is a classic one).

Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by Jyaif on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:35AM (#42076956)
The process is always the same:

You start by reproducing exactly what other folks did. Once you've done that a bunch of times, you unlock 2 skills:

* The ability to handle simple situations that do not require deviating too much from what you've seen in the past

* The ability to learn new techniques simply by reading about them, allowing you to learn much faster

Apply those 2 skills for a couple years (which is not hard at all if you are genuinely attracted to this area) and you are an expert.

What is marvelous is that you don't need to know about those steps, you just follow them naturally when you are passionate about something.

Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by immibis on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:31PM (#42078819)
Accumulated trial and error including that which is transferred from others
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by seattleeng on Thursday November 07, 2024 @02:58PM (#42080288)
You can learn things top-down or bottoms-up. I can read & understand most reverse engineering posts like this because I have a strong "bottoms-up" foundation with an EE degree and worked with microcontrollers. But when I read posts by hobbyist mechanical engineers about some 3D printed piston that uses ball bearings I have to approach it in a top-down "recreate what they did and go deep any time I'm lost" manner.
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by ramesh31 on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:37AM (#42076977)
Can it play Doom?
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by 0points on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:47AM (#42077060)
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by NexRebular on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:43AM (#42077026)
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by doubleorseven on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:46AM (#42077650)
It seems like it was designed to play Doom!
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by paulgerhardt on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:37AM (#42077556)
Oh neat. That key extraction technique is very fun. Has anyone seen this this before in another major project?
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by Retr0id on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:35PM (#42078879)
Yes, the general flaw/technique is alarmingly common.

psvita: https://www.lolhax.org/2019/01/02/extracting-keys-f00d-crumb...

ps4: https://twitter.com/flat_z/status/1472243592815169546

nintendo switch (tegra X1): https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Switch_System_Flaws (see "Security Engine keyslots vulnerable to partial overwrite attack")

(Nintendo really ought to have known better, but I suppose the security of their alarm clock product isn't exactly a top priority - and given the hardware choice it was mostly out of their control anyway)

Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by rescbr on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:50PM (#42079016)
It is indeed a really cool key extraction method. The code is also written in such a straightforward way that it is easy to grasp what's going on.

Now I have to find some encrypted files to play with :D

Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by Mistletoe on Thursday November 07, 2024 @11:33AM (#42078156)
I really think I need to get a Flipper Zero. Imagine how useful it would be in a post apocalyptic scenario.
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by palsecam on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:02PM (#42078496)
Related: [Cramming Solitaire onto a] Nintendo E-Reader card : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42010136 (5 days ago, 127 points)
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by oaththrowaway on Thursday November 07, 2024 @01:43PM (#42079536)
Have they been sued by Nintendo yet?
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by mightysashiman on Thursday November 07, 2024 @02:20PM (#42079911)
that lack of circular OLED screen is such a dumb missed opportunity...
Re:Looking into the Nintendo Alarmo by qingcharles on Thursday November 07, 2024 @06:58PM (#42082560)
It's crazy with the availability of round screens. This seems like real penny-pinching on the design.