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Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by lock_enthusiast on Monday October 14, 2024 @11:38PM (#41844679)
I feel there is enough in the article to build an image of the game in your head: I'm imagining a game game where two people trying to destroy the other person's chestnut by whirring and hitting the chestnuts on the end of strings. Now I'm going to go check my mental image against wikipedia.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by Nursie on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @12:36AM (#41844989)
That's more or less it.

You make a hole through your 'conker' (horse chestnut, not the edible type) and thread a string or a bootlace through it.

Then you take turns.

One holds their string still and lets the conker hang down, the other gets a swing at it with their conker. Whoever's conker lasts the longest is the winner.

There were all sorts of rumours about baking them, or soaking in vinegar or what have you to harden them up, but effectively it's the sort of game that a bunch of kids can play under a horse chestnut tree with relatively few props.

Using a steel 'ringer' in that circumstance would be the worst sort of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by riffraff on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @01:45AM (#41845293)
Ho do you drill the hole? I'm having trouble imagining kids with needles in their pockets, do you do it with a pencil or toothpick?

We've got a ton of horse chestnuts in my neighborhood but I've never heard of this game and I'm eager to introduce it to my kids.

Also, doesn't the conker spiral around your hand hitting it and hurting you?

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by oniony on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @04:00AM (#41846057)
We used to have a BBQ skewer that we used for various purposes, including adding holes to belts. We'd heat it up on the gas hob and then burn a hole through the conker. I actually still have the same one I've inherited in my kitchen drawer. If you have an awl, you could use that instead, but I'd recommend heating it to get a cleaner hole.

You need to use a long enough string. Old cotton shoe laces are actually perfect as the aglets make threading that much easier.

The force of one conker against another is enough to sometimes make it spin round, but not enough to do any real damage. You just need a long enough string that your fingers are not in the firing range. Obviously there is a vanishingly small risk of a piece of conker ending up in the eye but I never witnessed that or any other injury happening. The biggest problem was usually upset kids when their prized conker got destroyed.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by zelos on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @05:23AM (#41846661)
We'd heat it up on the gas hob and then burn a hole through the conker.

That's brilliant. Why did this never occur to me? That's going on the list of things to tell my younger self when time travel becomes possible.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by dageshi on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:19AM (#41845809)
We randomly had something like this in our kitchen draw...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SpitJack-Trussing-Butchers-Roasting...

Attach string, push through, detach string and remove.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by riffraff on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:29AM (#41845855)
sweet!
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by looperhacks on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:27AM (#41845539)
I'm not from Britain, but we used to craft with chestnuts. We always used a small hand drill (Wikipedia tells me it's called a gimlet). I assume it's the same in Britain
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by bluehatbrit on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:42AM (#41845920)
> Also, doesn't the conker spiral around your hand hitting it and hurting you?

Not usually in my experience, the string isn't that short and you're holding it at one end. Injury is still possible though, but that's part of the fun!

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by LandR on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:10AM (#41845430)
> your hand hitting it and hurting you?

WHen you were a kid, accidentally hitting yourself or the other person was just part of it!

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by Nursie on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:45AM (#41845654)
A gimlet? Hammer and a thick-ish nail? Honestly I can't remember how we used to do it. Might even have used a hand drill at some point. They're fairly soft when you've made a hole in the shell, so you might get away with a screwdriver?

When at school we probably made do with a compass (the drawing kind), as we all had them. I'm sure that resulted in a pretty high rate of conkers being destroyed before they could be strung, and a lot of ruined compasses.

> Also, doesn't the conker spiral around your hand hitting it and hurting you?

Generally not, though the game isn't without its minor hazards :)

There's a (very sweet) video here that seems to do a good job of showing the process and the game - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLGuZZraIqg

Through the exact rules are up to the players and I personally consider the "stamps" rule they mention to be foul play :)

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by riffraff on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:34AM (#41845874)
compass makes a ton of sense, and that is indeed a sweet video, thanks for sharing!
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by tankenmate on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:34AM (#41845594)
Horse chestnut shells are very hard, normally you would drill the hole.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by red_admiral on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @04:57AM (#41846482)
> Also, doesn't the conker spiral around your hand hitting it and hurting you?

It does until you learn, usually quite quickly, to do it properly.

Hurting your opponent's hand is a different matter :)

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by conkers on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @05:44AM (#41846792)
We used a corkscrew then threaded a shoelace through it.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by tjalfi on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @08:16AM (#41847766)
The memoir Where Did You Go? Out. What Did You Do? Nothing describes using a heated icepick.

You take a chestnut, and you hook the ice pick. You wait until nobody is in the kitchen, and then one kid presses down on the pilot-light button so that a long delicate blue finger of flame comes out, and the other kid puts the ice pick in the flame until it is red-hot. When it is, he bores a hole in the chestnut. You do as many as you can until somebody comes and asks you what you are doing, and then, according to your standing in the family, that day, you either plead, argue, or say, “Oh, jeez,” and slink away.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by lisper on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:33AM (#41845589)
Here's a video that explains it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLGuZZraIqg

And one from the championship:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5t6ej8Jzew

And here I was thinking that curling was the most ridiculous-looking sport in the world. I stand corrected.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by RandomThoughts3 on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @06:40AM (#41847143)
I don’t think conker players pretend it’s a sport. It would ihmo be more accurate to call it a game.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by lisper on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @11:51AM (#41849815)
s/sport/organized competitive activity/
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by hackernewds on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:26AM (#41845536)
I'm having the utter best time as a 12 year old replacing conker with something less wholesome
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by pixxel on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:32AM (#41845572)
If my memory serves me: you used to announce your conker as a “two-er”, or “three-er”, for example, to inform your opponent how many conkers your particular conker had previously claimed. If your opponent decided to challenge you and won then they would claim your “three-er” and add its win total to their own. So a “two-er” would become a “five-er”.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by Ntrails on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:41AM (#41845633)
I also recall this, but suspect sometimes numbers may have been inflated...
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by jamiek88 on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:55AM (#41845690)
I at nearly 50 years old still own my undefeated 48’er. It’s on a yellow bootlace in a box in the loft at my dad’s house.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by Nursie on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @10:01PM (#41854927)
I bet that thing’s hard as concrete now :)
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by Nursie on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:34AM (#41845592)
This is really probing the dusty, cobwebbed corners of my memory but yes, I have a very vague recollection of a 'six-er' being somewhat special...
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by flir on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @06:00AM (#41846894)
The phrase "a sixer at conkers" is floating to the surface.

Was it that once you reached six, you stopped counting? Or do you retire it, undefeated?

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by conductr on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @01:08AM (#41845134)
I’m American and never heard of this sport in my life yet article painted a similar picture in my mind.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by raffraffraff on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:40AM (#41845626)
It's not a sport, it's something that kids used to do pre 1950s. People were poor, didn't have manufactured "stuff", so they made their own toys out of simple things like stones, sticks, old wheels etc Football was likely popular because a single ball could keep a while bunch of kids happy for an afternoon (if someone could actually afford a ball).

I'm almost 50, and to me the image of boys playing conkers only comes from books or TV based in early 1900s UK. I've never actually seen anyone play it.

And nowadays people don't really grow up at all. They continue playing right into adulthood and old age, with luxury toys.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by oniony on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:54AM (#41845997)
I'm an 80s kid and we passionately played conkers at my primary school. We used to hang them on shoe laces or string, by burning a hole through the middle with a heated awl or kebab rod.

Cheating was always rife with people using all manner of techniques to try to preserve and strengthen their conkers: soaking in vinegar, baking them, coating in nail varnish, &c.

Pretty sad to hear it's fallen out of fashion, as it was good, cheap fun and, with long enough string, not very dangerous.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by scalesolved on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:32AM (#41845867)
> I'm almost 50, and to me the image of boys playing conkers only comes from books or TV based in early 1900s UK. I've never actually seen anyone play it.

Did you grow up in a city? I'm mid 30s and we used to regularly play conkers in the village where I grew up.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by Symbiote on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:02AM (#41845727)
I played conkers in the 1990s. Everyone did.

Money has nothing to do with it, most of my friends had computers, some had those mini cars to drive — it was a wealthy area.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by semi-extrinsic on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:17AM (#41845798)
> if someone could actually afford a ball

Round here, in the olden days the kids would fashion a crude type of ball called "basse" by cutting up a broken bicycle inner tube into a bunch of small rings, threading all the rings on a piece of string and tying this mess up in a particular way to form a roughly spherical object.

It does not roll well at all, but the kids stand around in a circle and kick the basse around to each other, trying to keep it in the air. If you cause it to fall to the ground, you lose.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by hnlmorg on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:49AM (#41845661)
My kids play conkers. They also have games consoles and other luxury toys.

Kids just love to play.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by komadori on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:56AM (#41845697)
I grew up in the 90s and we played conkers.

The main detail I remember was that soaking them in vinegar was supposed to make them stronger!

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by jamiek88 on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @02:52AM (#41845680)
I’m 47 and played conkers in school on merseyside.

The local ‘conker trees’ were famous!

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by OJFord on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @04:55AM (#41846468)
I think whether or not you grew up with a significant local population of 'conker trees' probably had a lot more to do with it than age. I'm younger than you (and didn't grow up 'poor') and we played too, 'pre-50s' is ridiculous.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by Rattay on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:36AM (#41845878)
Yeah, very much fron the 1950's 'Beano' era, but it did still go on in the mid 90s, at least in a wild throwing them about the place as entertainment. It was indeed a simpler time.

A lot more kids in the background smoking cigarettes around the bike sheds as well, but that's another story :)

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by room271 on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:56AM (#41846013)
Another voice here of someone (in my 30s) who played conkers growing up. Was great fun!
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by easytiger on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:30AM (#41845861)
> I'm almost 50, and to me the image of boys playing conkers only comes from books or TV based in early 1900s UK. I've never actually seen anyone play it.

Extremely common for kids to play this at least into the mid 2000s where i'm from, i moved away so i don't know if they still do

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by loup-vaillant on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @04:57AM (#41846481)
> And nowadays people don't really grow up at all. They continue playing right into adulthood and old age, with luxury toys.

It would be nice if we stopped stigmatising play. Growing up doesn't mean we stop playing. Acting grown-up might mean stop playing, but it's just that — an act, and a likely childish one. Real adults don't give up on what brings them joy.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by sersi on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @05:49AM (#41846821)
Back when I was a teenager, I used to also have similar thoughts as the person you replied to about not playing with toys because it was childish behavior.

Luckily, I grew out of that and I do not feel self conscious when playing as an adult or being goofy.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by razakel on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @07:07AM (#41847302)
>To carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

- C. S. Lewis

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by royletron on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @05:31AM (#41846710)
I played conkers in the 90's, my kids (7 and 10) play conkers now. We even have debates on whether applying nail polish is considered cheating - it is, it totally is! What's more, I was brought up in a poor area of Manchester, they've been brought up in quite an affluent area of Oxfordshire - so couldn't be any different!
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by conkers on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @05:38AM (#41846757)
I played conkers in the 80s, everybody in the school did. People had tricks like coating their conkers in gloss etc. but it was still a widespread game. Played football and British bulldog type stuff too but conkers came in season for a bit every year.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by flir on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @05:55AM (#41846867)
> I've never actually seen anyone play it.

Inner-city kid, same age as you, and it was everywhere. Not universal, I guess.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by calamity_elf on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @06:28AM (#41847060)
I went to first school (3 tier system, first, middle, high) in the 1970s and we played conkers in the school yard in the 1970s, and into the mid 80s in middle school too. By the time I reached high school they'd been banned.

I see parents and children collecting horse chestnuts in the local market square and arboretum still today though, and it brings back fond memories of rapped knuckles and entanglement "clingy-niner's" or "clinchies" in some games, depending who you were playing with.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by conductr on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @08:41AM (#41847961)
I don’t mind the nit on word choice but in my mind a game becomes a sport by the existence of a Championship match and title.

Also, I think this follows how most sports come to be. They are started as child play, when we have the time/leisure/energy, then they eventually become something some of us want to continue with as adults and the rest of us will pay to watch because we enjoy the sport so much (often fostered during youth play).

There are dozens of sports that I have no interest in simply because I wasn’t exposed to them as a kid. As an older American, we did not play Soccer(football) when I was a kid. It’s pretty popular now and my kid has had me go to professional games and such but I still just don’t really understand the game/rules/strategy or fully appreciate the difficulty of things that occur. I could learn I suppose but I still just have little effort in doing so as a middle aged person. I could say the same about Cricket and a handful of other sports that I never played as a kid but know are popular elsewhere. Likewise, when people move to the US, it usually takes them a while and likely never fully get into American Football and Baseball. Basketball has become more global and so I do expats that follow that sport. More likely than not, they follow the sports that interested them as a kid and just live with the time zone issue.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by umanwizard on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @04:49PM (#41852950)
A minor correction (though I agree with all the rest of your comment): baseball is also popular in several countries, just a different set of countries than basketball (most of them are in Latin America or East Asia).
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by cultofmetatron on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @05:49AM (#41846825)
soo.. bayblade with nuts?