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Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by hentrep on Thursday October 10, 2024 @10:12AM (#41799034)
Here’s the actual USDA article describing the difference between “sell by, “use by”, and “best by” terms: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-...

I don’t have time to find a source that supports this, but I understand that these dates also refer to the durability of the “food safe” container/packaging. Ever drink water from an unopened plastic bottle that has been stored for awhile? That taste is not from the water decaying or otherwise breaking down.

Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by sureIy on Thursday October 10, 2024 @11:59AM (#41800219)
I wish regulators stopped trying to be poetic and just use clear English.

What's "best by?" You need to write "do not eat after." Nobody needs to be explained what that means.

Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by _visgean on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:01PM (#41800229)
But thats the point, none of these actually mean that you cant eat it after te cutoff date.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by ghaff on Thursday October 10, 2024 @02:09PM (#41801537)
That 5 year old box of unopened crackers will almost certainly not hurt you but they may not taste very good.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by Dalewyn on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:45PM (#41800694)
"Clear English" is using as few words as possible.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by sureIy on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:49PM (#41800754)
If they make sense yes, but clearly people don't understand this.

When safety is on the line, the goal can't only be "as few words as possible"

Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by Dalewyn on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:55PM (#41800802)
Here's something to blow your mind: Most Americans are not literate.

Yes, I'm serious and I say that as a fellow American. We are not literate.

So use as few words as possible and a date. Honestly we could probably do without the words, just the date.

Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by teddyh on Thursday October 10, 2024 @01:14PM (#41800997)
Is minified code easier to read? No. It’s the same with regular language; shorter sentences are not always more comprehensible.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by Dalewyn on Thursday October 10, 2024 @06:48PM (#41804371)
The likelihood an American will read something decreases with each word written.

Seriously: We hate reading. The fewer words the better.

Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by teddyh on Sunday October 13, 2024 @02:22PM (#41830246)
Maybe, but if increased concision also decreases comprehension, there is a balance to be struck, not just a value to optimize.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by ensignavenger on Thursday October 10, 2024 @01:01PM (#41800869)
"best buy" is pretty plain English. It means the manufacturer beleives the product will be at its best up to that date.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by Fuzzwah on Thursday October 10, 2024 @03:30PM (#41802570)
But you submitted "best buy" rather than "best by". Sort of invalidates your point.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by EasyMark on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:26PM (#41804597)
it doesn't though since we all know what they meant. We all know the store doesn't use "best buy" except on coupons or sales circulars or it's a store named Best Buy.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by EasyMark on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:24PM (#41804585)
"best by" and "do not eat after" are not the same thing. Best by just means optimal freshness. Maybe you're thinking of "use by". "Sell by" is the thing giving people issues, as the food is still good but it's time for the -store- to rotate it out of inventory because it's not going to be as fresh after that date, and that leads to complainy customers.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by OJFord on Friday October 11, 2024 @05:55AM (#41807988)
None of them means 'do not eat after'.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by robertlagrant on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:06PM (#41800281)
I wonder if Best Buy use best by dates.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by guelo on Thursday October 10, 2024 @11:50AM (#41800112)
Those cheap plastic water bottles should be banned. They’re one of the greatest sources of micro plastics in our bodies. (Not to mention unstudied nano plastics)
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by lupusreal on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:28PM (#41800511)
They can't be anywhere even close to synthetic textiles.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by debit-freak on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:36PM (#41800596)
Presumably you're not chewing on or eating from synthetic textiles. Meanwhile an enormous amount of food is shipped in, and even cooked in, plastic directly.

Of course you're right in the sense that when it comes to our general environment textiles produce far more environmental microplastics than most other sources. Particularly in our water systems.

Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by relaxing on Thursday October 10, 2024 @01:08PM (#41800943)
…water systems that supply our drinking water.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by lupusreal on Thursday October 10, 2024 @02:09PM (#41801541)
I think synthetic fabrics shed very small particles into the air every time they are disturbed, eventually wearing out entirely. We breath a lot of that in. Clothes, furniture, sometimes even bed sheets; these all shed fibers into our living spaces.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by tradertef on Thursday October 10, 2024 @01:15PM (#41801015)
Or car tires..
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by ghaff on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:45PM (#41800702)
I don’t personally normally buy bottled water but the alternative is probably to go back to glass which means higher consumer prices, increased fossil fuel consumption for transportation, etc.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by hurpdurpdurp on Thursday October 10, 2024 @01:17PM (#41801034)
Why not aluminum cans? There's still some plastic in there, but you can mostly recycle them, they must be fairly cheap, and they're quite light. As an added benefit they stack higher in transit with less extra packaging, at least if they're shipped like beer.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by ghaff on Thursday October 10, 2024 @01:53PM (#41801381)
I literally just saw those for the first time. As I understand it they’re still plastic lined and the energy efficiency depends on how much recycling takes place. It depends if eliminating plastics is what you really care about or not.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by gruez on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:54PM (#41804766)
>They’re one of the greatest sources of micro plastics in our bodies.

Source?

Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by an_guy on Thursday October 10, 2024 @10:41PM (#41805523)
Have you ever drank from one of those bottles?? It literally tastes like plastic.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by gruez on Thursday October 10, 2024 @11:14PM (#41805653)
Yeah, but I don't taste the plastic.
Re:California Bans Sell-By Dates by lupusreal on Friday October 11, 2024 @06:17AM (#41808100)
Even if it's true that those bottles shed plastic and you can taste that plastic, that's not a source for the claim that the bottles are one of the foremost sources of the microplastic in our bodies.