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Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by isx726552 on Monday October 07, 2024 @10:40AM (#41766471)
Put weapons on it (as already seen in current conflicts) and it becomes a seek-and-assassinate tool. Drones are cheap enough it could even be done en masse. It is a scary future, and it’s not far away at all.
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by looofooo0 on Monday October 07, 2024 @12:04PM (#41767362)
Guess what happens in Ukraine.
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by morkalork on Monday October 07, 2024 @12:13PM (#41767477)
The future is already here – it's just not very evenly distributed
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by ColinWright on Monday October 07, 2024 @12:39PM (#41767843)
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by rvnx on Monday October 07, 2024 @10:42AM (#41766491)
It exists in Estonia ("thanks" to Googley Eric Schmidt!), it's a company that had codename White Stork.
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by ants_everywhere on Monday October 07, 2024 @11:03AM (#41766710)
It looks like they may have changed their name. White Stork is the name of a charity that provides first aid kits and other aid in Ukraine.

https://whitestork.us/

https://x.com/WilliamMcNulty/status/1798855191858712929

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by avibhu on Monday October 07, 2024 @10:48AM (#41766545)
Ironic name.
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by hiddencost on Monday October 07, 2024 @10:53AM (#41766603)
National bird of Ukraine
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by jvanderbot on Monday October 07, 2024 @10:48AM (#41766550)
S&R has always been a front for weaponized robotics, IMHO.

The last DARPA grand challenge (Subterrainean) had automated drone networks that could find and identify humans in caves and tunnels. They were at least up front about the military challenges in these environments. (https://www.darpa.mil/program/darpa-subterranean-challenge), but the nod at civilian first-responders doesn't seem fair. Honestly, is cave-in such a big civilian problem that we need to prioritize it as a talking point at all levels?

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by shadowgovt on Monday October 07, 2024 @03:46PM (#41770159)
It's generally hard to say what's a "front" for what, unless you mean "what can you get someone to grant you research money for when you really expect to parlay the learnings into another topic."

Everything about the rocketry needed to get to orbit started from warfare purposes, for example. And ARPANET was a foray into how to build a disruption-resistant network for military purposes.

Science and knowledge are a bit of a soup.

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by cpgxiii on Monday October 07, 2024 @06:56PM (#41771989)
> Honestly, is cave-in such a big civilian problem that we need to prioritize it as a talking point at all levels?

Considering (1) the number of people who are employed in mining occupations, (2) the frequency of serious accidents in mines, yes. Particularly in developed countries, societies expect that great lengths will be gone to rescue or recover the victims, and mine rescue is incredibly dangerous work.

(1) BLS says ~200K in the US in 2024, although only a minority of them work underground.

(2) BLS says "underground mining machine operators" is the 9th deadliest job in the US, and that is with a large and well-equipped mine rescue system (MSRA says 250 teams across the country).

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by jvanderbot on Monday October 07, 2024 @08:06PM (#41772474)
Are the other 8 BLS most dangerous professions being heavily automated and augmented with robots?

Roofers, fishing and hunting workers, construction "helpers", etc?

There's a case to be made that some of them are, I guess.

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by cpgxiii on Monday October 07, 2024 @08:47PM (#41772718)
Mining is heavily mechanized and automated already, yet remains inescapably dangerous.

Pragmatically speaking, when someone falls off a roof or a tree, it doesn't turn into a highly public, high-risk, government-responsibility rescue mission. When someone gets trapped in a mine, it does.

(If you fall off a tree logging in Alaska, there is a good chance a USCG helicopter crew comes to your aid, but that is more of a "five minutes in the local news" story than "nightly news host reporting live on location" event.)

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by nl on Tuesday October 08, 2024 @12:00AM (#41773705)
I suspect the vast majority of deaths in underground mining in the US aren't from cave-ins but instead from heavy equipment accidents.

According to [1] there were 8 deaths in underground machine operators category in 2022.

There's a more detailed table at [2] but I don't quite understand how this aligns with the first one (the numbers seem different, but I think the category is "Mining (except oil and gas)").

In any case the majority of fatalities are from "Transportation incidents" or "Contact with object and equipment". I think cave-ins would be classed as "Fires and explosions"

[1] https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-inju...

[2] https://www.bls.gov/iif/fatal-injuries-tables/fatal-occupati...

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by yieldcrv on Monday October 07, 2024 @12:41PM (#41767861)
I've been saying that any armistace on drones won't come until the US starts being hit by drone warfare. Especially by a foreign militia or nation state
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by colechristensen on Monday October 07, 2024 @01:48PM (#41768779)
What do you think UFOs are?
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by yieldcrv on Monday October 07, 2024 @02:19PM (#41769172)
they need to cause collateral damage, not busy work for FOIA respondents in Ohio
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by idunnoman1222 on Monday October 07, 2024 @02:19PM (#41769177)
The US is the biggest user of drones. What are you talking about?
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by hooverd on Monday October 07, 2024 @03:24PM (#41769942)
US civilians aren't subjected to them though.
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by shadowgovt on Monday October 07, 2024 @03:47PM (#41770182)
Precisely. It's about terror. The US having the political capital it does (among other things, being a Security Council member in the UN), Americans won't push their government to curtail drone use until and unless they're on the receiving end of asymmetric warfare attacks perpetrated with low-cost disposables carrying lethal payloads.

(Certainly not advocating for this, but noting that it's the most likely trigger to get the ball rolling on regulation of drones in military operation where very little currently exists).

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by m4rtink on Monday October 07, 2024 @07:15PM (#41772132)
I would not be so sure - a mind boggling number of drones and drone types are used in the Ukraine war, from small observation drones, over supply drones, drop drones, fast one way FPV kill drones up to almost regular drone swarm exchanges with 100+ drones going one way (indigenous Ukrainian drones one way, clones of Iranian Shaheds from the Russian side).

An oil terminal in Feodosia is still burning after the latest Ukrainina strike.

There was even a few cases of re-purposed ultra light aircraft serving as one way drones for ultra long range strikes on the Ukrainian side.

In another region Israel has to shoot down various terrorist launched one way UAVs almost regularly by this point & uses UAVs heavily by itself.

So while US certainly did pioneer UAV use, it seems to be it is getting eclipsed by other states in this area.

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by Sevii on Monday October 07, 2024 @11:10PM (#41773494)
It's not unless you consider Ukraine part of the US. Russia and Ukraine are using 10k+ drones per month each.
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday October 08, 2024 @05:16AM (#41775279)
> armistace on drones won't come

Drones are useful. There have been zero useful technologies in war that have ever been successfully banned. (No [1].)

Every weapon that has been banned brought asymmetric advantage, i.e. disadvantaged the powerful, or has had its ban flouted, e.g. cluster munitions.

[1] https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-ch...

Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by LorenPechtel on Monday October 07, 2024 @01:48PM (#41768780)
This system would not work against camouflage.
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by idunnoman1222 on Monday October 07, 2024 @02:18PM (#41769157)
I mean it would you just have to put different optics on it thermal, near infrared and normal, and have three different detection neural nets
Re:Homemade AI Drone Software Finds People When Search and R... by lupusreal on Monday October 07, 2024 @02:04PM (#41768967)
A read a comment here a while ago about "search and rescue" being a euphemism for military applications and that's the first thing I thought of when I saw this story.