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Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by yeahwhatever10 on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:42PM (#41672695)
Why do they keep saying "superhuman"? Algorithms are used for these tasks, humans aren't laying out trillions of transistors by hand.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by fph on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:56PM (#41672892)
My state-of-art bubblesort implementation is also superhuman at sorting numbers.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by xanderlewis on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:01PM (#41672957)
Nice. Do you offer API access for a monthly fee?
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by int0x29 on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:17PM (#41673146)
I'll need 7 5 gigawatt datacenters in the middle of major urban areas or we might lose the Bubble Sort race with the Chinese.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by dgacmu on Friday September 27, 2024 @02:48PM (#41674220)
Surely you'll be able to reduce this by getting TSMC to build new fabs to construct your new Bubble Sort Processors (BSPs).
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by gattr on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:56PM (#41673658)
Surely a 1.21-GW datacenter would suffice!
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by therein on Friday September 27, 2024 @02:35PM (#41674073)
Have we decided when are we deprecating it? I'm already cultivating another team in a remote location to work on a competing product that we will include into Google Cloud a month before deprecating this one.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by qingcharles on Saturday September 28, 2024 @02:17AM (#41678282)
I'll give you US$7Tn in investment. Just don't ask where it's coming from.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by HPsquared on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:51PM (#41673593)
Nice. Still true though! We are in the bubble sort era of AI.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by kevindamm on Saturday September 28, 2024 @09:41AM (#41680188)
When we get better quantum computers we can start using spaghetti sort.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by epistasis on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:47PM (#41672764)
Google is good at many things, but perhaps their strongest skill is media positioning.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by jonas21 on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:15PM (#41673118)
I feel like they're particularly bad at this, especially compared to other large companies.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by pinewurst on Friday September 27, 2024 @02:32PM (#41674041)
Familiarity breeds contempt. They've been pushing the Google==Superhuman thing since the Internet Boom with declining efficacy.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by lordswork on Friday September 27, 2024 @02:09PM (#41673824)
The media hates Google.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by epistasis on Friday September 27, 2024 @03:25PM (#41674575)
It a love/hate relationship. Which benefits Google and the media greatly.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by jeffbee on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:52PM (#41672820)
This is floorplanning the blocks, not every feature. We are talking dozens to hundreds of blocks, not billions-trillions of gates and wires.

I assume that the human benchmark is a human using existing EDA tools, not a guy with a pocket protector and a roll of tape.

Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by yeahwhatever10 on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:54PM (#41672858)
Floorplanning algorithms and solvers already exist https://limsk.ece.gatech.edu/course/ece6133/slides/floorplan...
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by jeffbee on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:57PM (#41672899)
The original paper from DeepMind evaluates what they are now calling AlphaChip versus existing optimizers, including simulated annealing. They conclude that AlphaChip outperforms them with much less compute and real time.

https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ey204/teaching/ACS/R244_2021_2022/...

Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by foobarian on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:22PM (#41673228)
Randomized algorithms strike again!
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by sudosysgen on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:40PM (#41673460)
This is moreso amortized optimization/reinforcement learning, not randomized algorithms.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by hulitu on Friday September 27, 2024 @04:32PM (#41675249)
> They conclude that AlphaChip outperforms them with much less compute and real time.

Of course they do. I'm waiting for their products.

Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by jayd16 on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:09PM (#41673043)
"superhuman or comparable"

What nonsense! XD

Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by thomasahle on Friday September 27, 2024 @04:43PM (#41675349)
Believe it or not, but there was a time where algorithms were worse than humans at layout out transistors. In particular at the higher level design decisions.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by justsid on Sunday September 29, 2024 @11:50AM (#41688155)
That’s somewhat still the case, humans could do a much better job at efficient layouting. The problem is that humans don’t scale as well, laying out billions of transistors is hard for humans. But computers can do it if you forego some efficiency by switching to standard cells and then throw compute at the problem.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by negativeonehalf on Friday September 27, 2024 @05:01PM (#41675478)
Prior to AlphaChip, macro placement was done manually by human engineers in any production setting. Prior algorithmic methods especially struggled to manage congestion, resulting in chips that weren't manufacturable.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by AshamedCaptain on Friday September 27, 2024 @09:04PM (#41677047)
> macro placement was done manually by human engineers in any production setting

To quote certain popular TV series .... Sorry, are you from the past? Do your "production" chips only have a couple dozen macros or what?

Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by deelowe on Friday September 27, 2024 @08:50PM (#41676971)
I read the paper. Superhuman is a metric they defined in the paper which has to do with how long it takes a human to do certain tasks.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by anna-gabriella on Saturday September 28, 2024 @03:25AM (#41678556)
Does this make any sense, really? - Define some common words and then let the media run wild with them. How about we redefine "better" and "revolutionize"? Oh, wait, I think people are doing that already...