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Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by jjulius on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @05:13PM (#41651941)
Because, for some weird reason, our culture has collectively decided that, even if most of us are capable of reading between the lines to understand what's really being said or is happening, it's often wrong and bad to be honest and transparent, and we should put the most positive spin possible on it. It's everywhere, especially in professional and political environments.
Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by discordance on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @07:58PM (#41653108)
For a counter example of what open and transparent communincation from a C-level tech person could look like, have a read of what the SpaCy founder blogged about a few months ago:

https://honnibal.dev/blog/back-to-our-roots

Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by vincnetas on Thursday September 26, 2024 @03:16AM (#41655409)
Stakes are orders of magnitude lower in spaCy case compared to OpenAI (for announcer and for people around them). It's easier to just be yourself when you're back on square one.
Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by FactKnower69 on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @05:17PM (#41651975)
McKinsey MBA brain rot seeping into all levels of culture
Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by cedws on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @06:42PM (#41652643)
That's giving too much credit to McKinsey. I'd argue it's systemic brainrot. Never admit mistakes, never express yourself, never be honest. Just make up as much bullshit as possible on the fly, say whatever you have to pacify people. Even just say bullshit 24/7.

Not to dunk on Mira Murati, because this note is pretty cookie cutter, but it exemplifies this perfectly. It says nothing about her motivations for resigning. It bends over backwards to kiss the asses of the people she's leaving behind. It could ultimately be condensed into two words: "I've resigned."

Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by Earw0rm on Thursday September 26, 2024 @01:42AM (#41654894)
It's a management culture which is almost colonial in nature, and seeks to differentiate itself from a "labor class" which is already highly educated.

Never spook the horses. Never show the team, or the public, what's going on behind the curtain.. or even that there is anything going on. At all time present the appearance of a swan gliding serenely across a lake.

Because if you show humanity, those other humans might cotton on to the fact that you're not much different to them, and have done little to earn or justify your position of authority.

And that wouldn't do at all.

Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by NoGravitas on Thursday September 26, 2024 @10:59AM (#41659164)
> Just make up as much bullshit as possible on the fly, say whatever you have to pacify people.

Probably why AI sludge is so well suited to this particular cultural moment.

Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 26, 2024 @12:40AM (#41654609)
It is human nature to use plausible deniability to play politics and fool one’s self or others. You will get better results in negotiations if you allow the opposing party to maintain face (i.e. ego).

See flirting as a more basic example.

Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by kyawzazaw on Thursday September 26, 2024 @02:03AM (#41655006)
not for two sigma
Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by bergen on Thursday September 26, 2024 @04:15AM (#41655822)
This is not a culture thing imo, being honest and transparent makes you vulnerable to exploits, which is often a bad thing for the ones being honest and transparent in a high competition area.
Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by jjulius on Thursday September 26, 2024 @02:08PM (#41661373)
Being dishonest and cagey only serves to build public distrust in your organization, as has happened with OpenAI over the past couple of months. Just look at all of the comments throughout this thread for proof of that.

Edit: Shoot, look at the general level of distrust that the populous puts in politicians.

Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by fsndz on Thursday September 26, 2024 @05:10AM (#41656205)
hypocrisy has to be the core of every corporate or political environment I have observed recently. I can count the occasions or situations where telling the simple truth is helpful. even the people who tell you to tell the truth are often the ones incapable of handling it.
Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by dragonelite on Thursday September 26, 2024 @05:40AM (#41656385)
From experience unless the person mention their next "adventure"(within like a couple of months) or gig it usually means a manager or c-suite person got axed and was given the option to gracefully exit.
Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by fsndz on Thursday September 26, 2024 @07:23AM (#41657073)
true
Re:Mira Exits OpenAI by deepGem on Thursday September 26, 2024 @12:47PM (#41660579)
By the barrage of exits following Mira's resignation, it does look like Sam fired her, the team got the wind of this and are now quitting in droves. This is the thing about lying and being polite. You can't hide the truth for long.

Mira's latest one liner tweet 'OpenAI is nothing without it's people" speaks volumes.