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Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by nfw2 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:09PM (#41620886)
You’re confusing unprovable and unfalsifiable. It could proven either through a whistleblower or finding an example where two accounts request the same ride at the same time and show a different price. If these sort of anecdotes aren't acceptable to you, you might say it's unprovable.

Unfalsifiable means it's impossible to submit evidence to contrary. In this casem the proposition is that Uber sometimes charges you more based on having credits in your account. There is no way to prove this never happens through an experiment. If an experiment showed that two rides cost the same to users with and without credits, it doesn't show that it never happens.

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by Aeolun on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:13PM (#41620907)
That example is literally in the article though. Clearly it’s not enough to convince OP.
Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by nfw2 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:32PM (#41621000)
In the article, the user looks at the price and thinks it seems higher than normal, which is different than comparing prices for identical rides at the same time.

EDIT: There is another account I missed in the article where identical rides are compared, so I take this back

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by Aeolun on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:38PM (#41621031)
In the article, the same thing is later tried with the user’s phone and the phone of a friend in sequence, at the same time.
Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by nfw2 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:48PM (#41621083)
I see. That seems like pretty good evidence then.

The point of the OP is that it is impossible to submit evidence that contradicts these anecdotes, because it is impossible to prove something never happens through experiments.

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by logifail on Sunday September 22, 2024 @11:23PM (#41622155)
> I see. That seems like pretty good evidence then.

Two data points, one gathered immediately after another for the same route from a separate device, from a provider known to track demande and use "surge pricing"?

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by c22 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:50PM (#41621095)
Ah, but which phone checked first? I could see the second request coming back with a higher price due to increased demand in the area.
Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by addicted on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:12PM (#41620898)
Considering Uber’s stated, implicit and possibly legal goal is to maximize their profits, why do you believe they are choosing to not maximize profits in these situations?
Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by tbrownaw on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:26PM (#41620965)
> choosing to not maximize profits

There is a phrase "penny wise and pound foolish". That phrase is a good description of what's being alleged here. Trying to grab a few percent in ways that are likely to bring the hammer down when discovered is not exactly a great idea.

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by Nextgrid on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:55PM (#41621123)
> Trying to grab a few percent in ways that are likely to bring the hammer down when discovered is not exactly a great idea.

DoorDash stole tips and got away with it. The precedent has been set. The "hammer" you're talking about hasn't existed for over a decade.

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by dylan604 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @08:29PM (#41621297)
DoorDash still charges more for items compared to in person prices, charges a delivery fee, and then charges another fee which I can't remember what it was called. Then a tip. DoorDash can get bent. Which is exactly how I feel about Uber
Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by stemlord on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:30PM (#41620990)
>likely to bring the hammer down when discovered

People would forget a week later and continue to use the app. I think that saying is a bit naive to the post antitrust capitalist world

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by mschuster91 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @08:34PM (#41621321)
> Trying to grab a few percent in ways that are likely to bring the hammer down when discovered is not exactly a great idea.

That assumes that there is a hammer that will be brought down and that the hammer actually has some weight behind it.

The reality is that it takes years for governments to react to people breaking or bending the law in novel, creative ways. The fact of illegality didn't stop Uber and a bunch of other competitors to provide taxi services, nor did it stop AirBnB from facilitating the running of illegal hotels world-wide.

Yes, eventually the hammer came down, but seriously, not even a million euros fine and of that, 50% suspended for Uber [1] or a few hundred K for AirBnB [2]... that's a joke, that's pennies for these ultra-large corporations. And so, yes, breaking the law and paying fines until it's actually hitting execs personally is the more profitable option in the mid run. Just change which law you break and you'll get off.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/uber-and-execs-f...

[2] https://www.hotrec.eu/en/policies/_airbnb_fined_on_the_balea...

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by nfw2 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:30PM (#41620985)
My comment was about the usage of the term unfalsifiable, which means something specific that was being misunderstood.

I don't know whether they are charging more when users have credits in there account. It seems plausible I guess.

Here are some plausible reasons why it may not be the case:

- If Uber's analysis determined that the best price to charge to maximize profit is independent of whether or not the user has credits

- Because predatory practices would generate bad press and push users to competitors, which would reduce profits

Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by astrange on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:27PM (#41620972)
Corporations do not have a legal requirement to maximize profits.
Re:Uber charges more if you have credits in your account by jachee on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:33PM (#41621001)
Like in the article?

> He went a step farther and did something I didn’t: he checked Uber prices “with someone else’s phone” who did not have a balance in their Uber account – and Uber was pricing the route at the usual $20 for them.