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Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by jodiug on Sunday September 22, 2024 @03:28AM (#41615271)
I'm surprised to find all comments so strongly against Google. I do not like their customer support nor their surprise product closure acts... but I do find their cloud interface easy to use, pricing is solid, and (K8s/Cloud Run) I have barely been affected by any significant outage in some 8 years of use.

Contrast to Azure who despite their SLA had significant outages every few months that were very noticeable, sometimes even requiring us setting up an entire new K8s project from scratch. AWS is better in terms of reliability. Their UX is not great though, I often feel like I'm a wizard waving my wand with permissions and connecting things like audit trails. Many actions are a bit delayed in their effect. I've also had to contact support at times to raise arbitrary limits in the platform.

In balance I would recommend GCP. Their product closures have not affected me enough to scare me away. I guess experiences vary depending on which product we are using.

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by sunaookami on Sunday September 22, 2024 @04:06AM (#41615459)
You can't even set spending limits on Google Cloud and have to use some obscure script that deactivates billing if you want to imitate it. The whole product is incredibly buggy and complicated.
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by denysvitali on Sunday September 22, 2024 @05:06AM (#41615712)
I seem to recall Azure had a similar issue until recently. Pay-as-you-go accounts weren't able to set budgets.

I wanted to link the specific article mentioning that, but it seems like this works now :)

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by benterix on Sunday September 22, 2024 @05:56AM (#41615971)
Wait, so you can now set up a hard cap on your spending and they guarantee they won't charge you more? It would be exciting but I don't believe they actually allow that especially as their competition also refused to implement that, in spite of it being no #1 requested feature for many years.
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by denysvitali on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:36AM (#41616356)
By the looks of it (their updated documentation) it seems like they do support this now!

I haven't tried it myself, and I hope it's true (:

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by jcrben on Sunday September 22, 2024 @08:41AM (#41616629)
Where did you see this documentation?
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by denysvitali on Sunday September 22, 2024 @08:59AM (#41616736)
Okay, my bad, I was looking at this page [1] which says that the "Cost Management" feature is available for Pay-as-you-go subscriptions, but [2] is pretty clear on the fact that Spending Limits aren't available for Pay-as-you-go subscriptions.

So, TL;DR: Azure still doesn't allow you to set spending limits on Pay-as-you-go subscriptions

[1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/cost-management-bill...

[2]: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/support/legal/offer-detail...

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by ElFitz on Sunday September 22, 2024 @05:20AM (#41615784)
Do any cloud providers have this?

AWS has slightly improved with their "budgets" and "budget actions", but it’s far from something I’d call a "spending limit".

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by benterix on Sunday September 22, 2024 @05:59AM (#41615981)
> AWS has slightly improved with their "budgets" and "budget actions", but it’s far from something I’d call a "spending limit".

Yeah they had to do something so they came up with a half-solution that basically informs you with a delay, doesn't prevent any quick damage and - if you decide to use budget actions - requires you to know what is actually causing the problem. Better than nothing I guess.

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by antifa on Sunday September 22, 2024 @05:38PM (#41620302)
GCP charges you insane prices for egress bandwidth to China/Asia and offers no clear and simple way to say "I don't have any customers there."
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by chii on Sunday September 22, 2024 @03:52AM (#41615382)
i would say that smaller, independent enterprises/solo shops tend to not hate GCP.

Large shops - aka, a shop where you're not part of the controlling entity - tend to prefer either AWS, or Azure depending on how hard the CIO got wined and dined previously (and existing inertia - older shops that used AWS as an early adopter seems to stay with AWS).

> Their UX is not great though

i agree, but nobody really cares enough. On the other hand, i'd not pay more for better UX. Judging by the current state, i say a lot of customers fall into this category.

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by politelemon on Sunday September 22, 2024 @04:05AM (#41615452)
Assuming AWS/Azure were chosen due to thinly veiled bribery is unnecessarily reductive and in bad faith.
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by makeitdouble on Sunday September 22, 2024 @04:31AM (#41615577)
As a matter of fact Google Cloud will also wine and dine a CTO as needed. That's part of the sales process IMHO.

A decision maker can basically choose from where they want to get bribed, so it won't be a crucial factor most of the time.

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by re-thc on Sunday September 22, 2024 @04:43AM (#41615621)
There's been quite a few documented instances of large scale bribes by Azure.
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by benterix on Sunday September 22, 2024 @06:02AM (#41615996)
In quite a few places I saw, it would be either that or sheer incompetence (which was obvious to me at the time, and become obvious to people who came after me and finally decided to migrate away, with more losses on the way that could have been easily avoided).
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by horsebridge on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:14AM (#41616264)
I'm part of a smaller shop. GCP didn't even bother responding to us when we tried to contact sales, which is why we're at AWS.
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by zacmps on Sunday September 22, 2024 @03:53AM (#41615395)
It's been brought up elsewhere in the thread but GCP deleting an entire tenant's account rules them out entirely from any serious business IMO.
Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by rvnx on Sunday September 22, 2024 @09:45AM (#41617040)
The Gemini team that completely fucked up recent deploy by blocking queries originating from Google Cloud Functions is a masterpiece as well.

Full downtime for 2 days, no apologizes, no answers, had to pay 3% extra for support, no credits.

Special award to the dude representing Google trolling on Twitter that they will do another "wild Friday release".

Shitty.

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by JackSlateur on Sunday September 22, 2024 @11:52AM (#41617877)
AWS is the best provider for tech people, the product is high level but versatile too. Price is somehow high, but the service is here.

azure is microsoft, so this explains that

gcp has "a vision": if you do not share it, it's a pain. Also, gcp has some sick design for core products : checkout load balancers if you want a "good" laugh. It's a stack of hack, put one on top of the others

I would not recommand against GCP, it's the average player: not the best, definitely not the worst.

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by jpambrun on Sunday September 22, 2024 @12:40PM (#41618183)
"AWS is the best provider for tech people".

This is an option, not a fact. Many of us don't agree. After working on all 3 I feel AWS is, by far, the worst experience for tech people. My perspective is that it's only doing great for execs and PowerPoint engineers.

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by JackSlateur on Sunday September 22, 2024 @01:20PM (#41618435)
By "tech people", I mean "people who enjoy tinkering", like playing legos

In opposition with people who enjoy taking a product of the shelf and call it a day

But you are right: this is my opinion, not a fact

Re:It is hard to recommend Google Cloud by 8490109481 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @01:22PM (#41618457)
My impression from a small project needing a OAuth scope was that the UI of GCP was sluggish, and although the other providers have sometimes sluggish UIs Google's was uniquely so. Anyone else feel this way?

Example is a sidebar that opens for adding an email during OAuth flow, after adding it clicking "Add" once did nothing, there was no feedback. Had to click it at least 5 times for it to go away and save correctly. In fact this is even specified in the documentation for the third-party tool (Google Drive downloader[1] step 18) that you have to click it multiple times. I don't think this is normal.

And also I should mention, depending on hardware specs the GCP portal was nearly unusable. So hopefully one will not need to rely on creating OAuth resources for a CLI program on the same computer. Although to be fair, I wasn't benchmarking against AWS/Azure on that hardware (since I needed to use GCP Google APIs).

[1] https://github.com/glotlabs/gdrive/blob/main/docs/create_goo...