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Re:How America's universities became debt factories by labcomputer on Saturday September 14, 2024 @05:15PM (#41543035)
That’s only because doctors collude to limit the number of available residency places.

I programmers were smart, they would:

1. Lobby the government to prohibit anyone from practicing programming without a license.

2. Limit the number of licenses granted each year

Re:How America's universities became debt factories by cheese_van on Saturday September 14, 2024 @05:50PM (#41543296)
<That’s only because doctors collude to limit the number of available residency places.>

Available residency slots are dictated by the funding made available through the Medicare program and ultimately Congress.

Re:How America's universities became debt factories by bluefirebrand on Saturday September 14, 2024 @07:55PM (#41544027)
> ultimately Congress

Who is successfully lobbied by organizations of doctors

Congress doesn't make decisions in a vacuum

Re:How America's universities became debt factories by adharmad on Saturday September 14, 2024 @06:39PM (#41543624)
Out of curiosity, why cannot hospitals fund residency slots on their own with some riders (the resident should work in the same hospital for x years)? It seems odd that the medical profession is not willing to invest in the training of the next generation of professionals without government help.
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by vineyardmike on Saturday September 14, 2024 @07:22PM (#41543855)
They do sometimes. People don’t realize how much of medicine, generally, is funded through the government. Additionally, society gives medicine a lot of leeway to act selfishly because the core practice of healing is so altruistic.

Broadly, it’s the same issue that all jobs have: it’s cheaper to hire pre-trained professionals than to hire and train.

Re:How America's universities became debt factories by Spooky23 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @03:18PM (#41549611)
Because they need to support their executives and capital projects / debt service. That’s the discretionary budget… training doctors doesn’t improve the bottom line.

Hospitals are really quasi-government entities. Their pricing structures have price controls based on Medicare reimbursements. A third of hospital revenue is Medicare and Medicaid.

Both programs have been slowing rate growth, which in turn impacts private insurance as well. The institutions haven’t been successful in reducing cost growth. ACA built out regional cartels^H provider networks, essentially eliminating competition.

Re:How America's universities became debt factories by yCombLinks on Sunday September 15, 2024 @12:39AM (#41545252)
Which was ultimately lobbied at such a low a number by the AMA, the primary organization representing doctors interests in congress. https://qz.com/1676207/the-us-is-on-the-verge-of-a-devastati...
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by DiscourseFan on Saturday September 14, 2024 @06:08PM (#41543423)
Not a bad idea, actually, especially with all these new tools
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by bumby on Saturday September 14, 2024 @10:16PM (#41544684)
Good idea from a job severity/ protectionist standpoint or from a “protect the craft and quality for the good of the public” sort of way?
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by lmz on Sunday September 15, 2024 @03:04AM (#41545788)
Why not both? Even better if you have to obtain accreditation as a professional in every different market because EU software is different from US software is different from Indian software...
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by bumby on Sunday September 15, 2024 @09:30AM (#41547397)
There are a lot of economists who make arguments against protectionist policies. A common refrain is that it leads to higher consumer prices.
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by BurningFrog on Saturday September 14, 2024 @05:29PM (#41543136)
Fortunately, we don't have the social skills to make that happen.
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by inglor_cz on Saturday September 14, 2024 @06:20PM (#41543499)
Also, the vast majority of software bugs are annoying at worst, with no death potential. Powers that be would react a lot more aggressively if stack overflows routinely led to bodies on the pavement.
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by jcranmer on Saturday September 14, 2024 @07:08PM (#41543794)
Considering the number of ransomware attacks and other viruses that infect hospitals, it wouldn't surprise me if stack overflows had quite a large body count.
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by bumby on Saturday September 14, 2024 @10:17PM (#41544689)
The irony is that part is not commensurate to the risk of the software being developed.
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by pants2 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @12:31AM (#41545227)
Unfortunately since most of our jobs can be done remotely, that would likely drive a ton of software jobs overseas.
Re:How America's universities became debt factories by labcomputer on Sunday September 15, 2024 @05:40AM (#41546401)
I was trying to keep my comment short. Such a regulatory regime would be expected to close such obvious loopholes.

In much the same way that a doctor in $FOREIGN_COUNTRY cannot practice telemedicine in the USA, I would expect the regulations to make a distinction between software (and services provided by software) developed by foreign and licensed programmers.

Re:How America's universities became debt factories by bookofjoe on Sunday September 15, 2024 @05:16PM (#41550481)
>much the same way that a doctor in $FOREIGN_COUNTRY cannot practice telemedicine in the USA...

U.S. retired doctor here. This is a fascinating possibility that never occurred to me until I read your comment. Could a foreign doctor not set up a system whereby she/he could appear to be in the U.S. while being in a country that's essentially unreachable by U.S. authorities? And take payment in cryptocurrency?

Re:How America's universities became debt factories by toast0 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @01:12AM (#41545361)
> Lobby the government to prohibit anyone from practicing programming without a license.

No way you're getting consensus on this one, but even if you could, it's too hard to stop. If you charge for compilers, and only provide them to licensed developers, hippies will make and distribute compilers for free.

Re:How America's universities became debt factories by theendisney4 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @11:53PM (#41552600)
The hippies wouldnt be licenced but if they could they cant provide a certified corporate party to be liable for damages.

Consensus isnt needed, just enough beurocracy to make development expensive.