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Re:Why GitHub Won by BSDobelix on Monday September 09, 2024 @12:57PM (#41490561)
So wait, you tried to prevent SF to become a "shitty monoculture"?

First: That sounds completely not like Google

Second: Now you have GH as the "shitty monoculture" (owner is MS and erases your license for Co-pilot)

Third: >>We folded it up because we achieved the goal we sought at the time, and didn't see a reason to continue.

Yeah ok that sounds like Google, try's to enter another market just to hurt them then folds ;)

Re:Why GitHub Won by DannyBee on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:06PM (#41490716)
This was 2006 Google, which did stuff semi-altruistically all the time.

At that point, SF was serving malware and stuff. It was really not a great time.

Github became a monoculture years later when others folded. Google code was shut down in 2016. Github wasn't quite a monoculture then.

I also said, back in 2014, that it might be necessary to do something like google code again in 5-10 years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8605689

10 years later, here we are i guess :)

Though i think what i said then still holds - Github is not anywhere near as bad or unreliable as SF was.

Re:Why GitHub Won by jiveturkey on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:16PM (#41493139)
I do wish there were enough incentive to have a strong commercial gerrit offering. There are some very good ideas in gerrit, and it would have strong differentiation vs github-styled offerings.

Not just because I like gerrit, but because the github monoculture is wearing on me.

Re:Why GitHub Won by BSDobelix on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:09PM (#41490766)
SF served "malware" in 2013 NOT 2006:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Adware_controversy

After slashdot was purchased from condenast (i think?)

Re:Why GitHub Won by naniwaduni on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:15PM (#41490849)
They had a bad name for the download pages being ad-infested even before they bundled the malware in the installers.

(And yes, fake download buttons on a site serving binary downloads went exactly where you'd expect.)

Re:Why GitHub Won by BSDobelix on Monday September 09, 2024 @02:04PM (#41491462)
>fake download buttons

Yes and today Ad-Sense (Google) took the Crown from being then biggest Scam AD's deploy-er.

And really i don't think that's true before they where sold, ad's sure, scam/malware stuff? I don't think so...at least i cant remember.

Re:Why GitHub Won by DannyBee on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:16PM (#41490862)
I mean, that's just when they did it fairly deliberately. Regardless, I think you would be hard pressed to argue SF was a great hosting environment when Google Code launched, which was the point.
Re:Why GitHub Won by BSDobelix on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:26PM (#41490989)
>hard pressed to argue SF was a great hosting environment when Google Code launched

But SF had FTP, Websites, SVN hosting and i think even a WIKI, so you can hardly compare it with Google-Code...and hey at least they opensource'd their "forge":

https://allura.apache.org/

IDK i don't have such bad memory's about SF, even today you serve big files over SF because of GH limits.

Re:Why GitHub Won by ndiddy on Monday September 09, 2024 @02:15PM (#41491605)
SourceForge was originally open source, but they later closed it. GNU Savannah (https://savannah.gnu.org/) runs on a fork of the last open version of SourceForge.
Re:Why GitHub Won by BSDobelix on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:10PM (#41492353)
>SourceForge was originally open source

True after slashdot got buy'd, they also served malware AFTER the takeover (2013), and now look at that year:

Allura graduated from incubation with the Apache Software Foundation in March >>2013

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Allura

Google-Code was in 2006 right?

Re:Why GitHub Won by remexre on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:02PM (#41490660)
For a comparison on the scale of harm from the monoculture, recall that SourceForge was bundling malware with downloads, and still has a full page of ads when you download from it.

If I recall correctly, SVN was also more popular than Git at the time, so migrating hosts was a lot more painful than now...

Re:Why GitHub Won by bluGill on Monday September 09, 2024 @02:04PM (#41491470)
SVN's model is what everyone is using. Sure you git, but almost nobody is using the distributed parts - they all sync to a central sever (github). SVN just could get user management, or merges right - those should be solvable problems but somehow were not. (I don't know enough about SVN to speculate on why they didn't)
Re:Why GitHub Won by rswail on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @03:22AM (#41498077)
The main reason is that SVN's model of branching/tagging is based on directories in the working directory, whereas git's model (and to a certain extent, commercial SVNs like Clearcase and Perforce) is that branching/tagging is of the entire repository and not related to the file tree structure.

This is a fundamental difference and the reason that git's model works much better when branching/merging.

Re:Why GitHub Won by BSDobelix on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:06PM (#41490718)
And then you force people to change from google code to something else just to prove a point since people then where unable to setup svn server ;)

Even today you find death links from google code repos.