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Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by Animats on Sunday September 08, 2024 @01:27AM (#41478367)
He wants a glider. Not a problem. There are quite good hang gliders. There are also plenty of trolleys around, although most new ones use pantographs instead of trolley poles.

Very few saw a world dominated by giant advertising firms. Or computing becoming a branch of advertising. Even in science fiction. There was Fowler Schocken Associates, in The Space Merchants (1952). The company behind the simulated world in Simulacron-3 (1964) builds it so they can do market testing and opinion polls. As late as "AI" (2001), the tie between search and ads hadn't appeared. In "AI", the "Dr. Know" search service is an expensive pay service.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by dleeftink on Sunday September 08, 2024 @03:05AM (#41478729)
Maybe not the exact workings of the modern ad industry, but I'd say that as early as Metropolis and possibly some time before, a feared future of mass production and consumption had entered the public eye. It is fascinating though, how little (ad) space advertising itself was warranted in fictional works till relatively recent (late 70s/early 80s) -- Blade Runner made it look as beautiful as it would be inescapable.
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by elric on Sunday September 08, 2024 @04:07AM (#41478941)
By the time Alien came out, corporate evil was certainly well established. Everything on the space ship had Weyland branding, and the corporation treating its employees as expendable was par for the course.

I'm struggling to come up with an older example of prominent ads in sci fi, but I'm drawing a blank.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by GJim on Sunday September 08, 2024 @05:13AM (#41479175)
So what you are saying is... "even the most dystopian Sci-Fi didn't predict modern Silicon Valley led advertising & surveillance capitalism"!
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by elric on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:40AM (#41479812)
I guess we as a species (and sci-fi writers) underestimate the banality of evil and its cumulative effect. Nearly 25 years ago, I ran a couple of banner ads on my website to help pay for the hosting costs. Back then it didn't cross my mind that such a trivial bit of HTML would eventually lead to surveillance capitalism. I wonder if any sci-fi writers predicted where this could/would lead...
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by dleeftink on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:10AM (#41479447)
"Tuesday is Soylent Green day.."

And not to forget how "colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on screen.."

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by MrVandemar on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:27PM (#41484139)
1984 has a fair few advertising concepts IIRC, not least everything was "Victory" branded, and the ubiquitious Big Brother.
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by rapjr9 on Monday September 09, 2024 @09:59PM (#41496445)
For another glimpse at the feared future of mass production and consumption watch the "Out of the Unknown" series 1 episode "The Midas Plague" from 1965:

https://archive.org/details/come-buttercup-come-daisy

It's episode 12 in the zip file. A lot of the stories for the series came from well known science fiction writers of the time. All four years of the series are on the Internet Archive. The Midas Plague is a comedy, some of the other episodes are truly frightening.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by devjab on Sunday September 08, 2024 @02:41AM (#41478639)
It’s a little unrelated but I always thought it was odd that people looked to things like science fiction for glimpses into possible futures rather than into the more social and political genres such as cyberpunk.

Because cyberpunk basically got everything right. Unfortunately.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by ericjmorey on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:57AM (#41479635)
What examples of getting everything right do you know of?
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by snozolli on Sunday September 08, 2024 @02:54PM (#41482290)
Not GP, but Cryptonomicon stands out as predicting a lot about markets around cryptography, and the relationship between nations and technology. Stephenson didn't predict Blockchain and Bitcoin specifically, but he got closer than anyone I know of.

More generally, the Gibson style of "independent hackers versus the corporate overlords" seems increasingly accurate.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by burningChrome on Sunday September 08, 2024 @04:17PM (#41482864)
William Gibson - Neuromancer (1984)

Writing in F&SF in 2005, Charles de Lint noted that while Gibson's technological extrapolations had proved imperfect (in particular, his acknowledged failure to anticipate the impact of the cell phone), "Imagining story, the inner workings of his characters' minds, and the world in which it all takes place are all more important."[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer#Literary_and_cultu...

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by fbhb on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:25PM (#41483751)
Isn't that quote talking about something different? The F&FS article is saying that "Gibson was never trying to be prescient" and that this is irrelevant for writing a good story: "he has always been more concerned with story and character". I don't think that's wrong, but it still doesn't answer the question what books did make accurate predictions.
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by narrator on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @06:52PM (#41506424)
Bruner's "Stand on Zanzibar"from the 60s and "The Shockwave Rider" from the 70s predicted a lot of social trends. Most millennials and younger won't be able to stand them though because of the different cultural norms of those eras embedded into the books
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by KineticLensman on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:26AM (#41479762)
Personally I started reading hard SF in the early 70s so it was all I had then for glimpses of the future, and a lot of near-future SF then was based around post-nuclear situations, or robots, or similar, albeit with some superb exceptions from authors such as Roger Zelazny, John Brunner and others.

Cyberpunk didn't really get consolidated as a genre until the 1980s although dystopias had been written about before then. It was in the 80s that the core cyberpunk themes of computer hackers and evil corporations really came together in their current dystopian form.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by wslh on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:37AM (#41479802)
Not only from the cyberpunk movement, but also from history and the classics! Societies should rethink formal education entirely and focus on connecting the dots between different sciences and activities.

I'll play the contrarian here regarding the article: it's likely that many people did actually predict the future, but they lacked the platform to broadcast their message.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by barrkel on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:08AM (#41487332)
SF has always been about the present time of the writer, and is usually most interesting when it perturbs some element of reality to expose something interesting about the present.
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by qhwudbebd on Sunday September 08, 2024 @03:34AM (#41478809)
"He wants a glider. Not a problem. There are quite good hang gliders."

Off-topic I know, but 100% this. Modern hang-gliders are amazing: easy to learn, unbelievable glide performance and handling, cheap to buy and learn. The 'whoosh' of energy retention as you pull in and push out has to be felt to be believed.

The same goes for paragliders: their speed and glide makes a mockery of my intuition as a ex-physicist and they fit in a rucksack. I'm a rubbish pilot and I've still managed to fly over a hundred kilometres on a paraglider.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by bigiain on Sunday September 08, 2024 @08:24PM (#41484424)
I'm not sure what the right terminology is, but there are also gliders like this:

https://youtu.be/OpemglwS8XA?feature=shared

Which are a step up from even the most sophisticated "hang glider", assuming that hang glider refers to the kite type thing that you hang underneath and steer with body weight shifting.

I'm pretty sure even the best paragliders aren't anywhere near 40:1 L/D ratios.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by langcss on Sunday September 08, 2024 @03:46AM (#41478858)
Thats odd because I remember people saying "when will Google start ads". Although probably thinking of the Yahoo style slow loading mess.
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by antihipocrat on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:09AM (#41479691)
Or AOL, I remember breakfast TV hosts mentioning AOL keywords a lot
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by foobarchu on Sunday September 08, 2024 @11:39PM (#41485243)
Commercials too. Every TV spot would end with "AOL keyword poptart" or something.
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by Eisenstein on Sunday September 08, 2024 @01:51AM (#41478444)
Philip K. Dick predicted it in Ubik.
Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by KineticLensman on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:29AM (#41479771)
Great book, although I'm not sure 'predicted' is the right word. By that logic 'Flow my tears the Policeman said' is a prediction that by 1988 the US would have had a second civil war.

'Prescient', perhaps?

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by avg_dev on Sunday September 08, 2024 @05:26PM (#41483358)
> Or computing becoming a branch of advertising.

wow. such a succinct way of putting it. ugly too. and probably at least mostly truthful.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by MichaelZuo on Sunday September 08, 2024 @05:45PM (#41483491)
Plenty of computing happens without any advertising whatsoever.

They just don’t get noticed by the general public or mass culture, this is practically a tautology.

Re:Asking the Wrong Questions by ahazred8ta on Sunday September 08, 2024 @10:18PM (#41484941)
John Varley had pervasive inyourface hologram advertising on his hypercapitalist Pluto, but I don't recall any online ads.