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Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by OutOfHere on Thursday September 05, 2024 @11:39PM (#41462684)
Lobsters is an AI hate group. It is an inbred community where new users can't even sign up unless their worldview already aligns with that of its preexisting members. They won't shy from spreading lies about AI, with complicity at their highest levels.

The point is that besides HN, the other site of value would be Slashdot.

Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by elashri on Friday September 06, 2024 @12:30AM (#41462894)
Interesting take. I never tried to register on lobsters and never used slashdot too. But it is ironic you mention it. I tried to register and I got that

> New user registration is now approved by Slashdot administrators. Please contact [email protected] and let us know why you are interested in registering, and what you can add to the discussion.

But to be honest I don't know about registration practices of either of them.

Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by OutOfHere on Friday September 06, 2024 @12:34AM (#41462908)
That's an interesting development with Slashdot, one that I was not aware of, but even so, I feel that unlike with Lobsters, you will not be asked by Slashdot for approval from a preexisting Slashdot member. I guess this is what throwaway Google accounts are for.
Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by visil on Friday September 06, 2024 @12:50AM (#41462976)
> AI hate group

Huh. That's a weird thing to say.

Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by OutOfHere on Friday September 06, 2024 @01:13AM (#41463103)
It's weird only until you get affected by it.

They're known to spread harmful lies about AI, thereby spreading AI hate, in their comments. It's worse than that because their mods and admins are complicit in it.

Anyhow, the proof of restricted registration, and the groupthink effects thereof, are for all to see.

Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by jclulow on Friday September 06, 2024 @04:38AM (#41464179)
Can you give some examples of the sort of harmful and dangerous untruths you're referring to? Sounds positively deleterious to me!
Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by Zecc on Friday September 06, 2024 @05:27AM (#41464450)
> Can you give some examples of the sort of harmful and dangerous untruths you're referring to?

I second this sentiment. I don't remember seeing any content (positive or negative) about AI in Lobsters; which might be indicative of something.

Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by OutOfHere on Friday September 06, 2024 @02:06PM (#41468390)
Please refer to the fresh reply to the parent comment.
Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by OutOfHere on Friday September 06, 2024 @02:01PM (#41468339)
I would have to "out" certain individuals to share the evidence, and I do not feel comfortable doing it. It goes like this though:

1. New Lobster user starts posting links to valid new non-bs AI related open-source projects.

2. Established users feel threatened that their world is being turned upside down. They start posting hateful bs comments, and escalate it to outright lies about the projects. These lies are nothing but FUD that allow them to dismiss the projects out of hand. As we know, the first stage of acceptance is denial. It is obvious that the established users are not into AI, and will never be. Because these are users are well-known, their lies gather a lot of upvotes from sympathizers who don't care about fact-checking anything. New user's account is now at permanent risk due to the downvotes. For the sake of argument, the links posted were to GitHub projects with 100+ or even 500+ stars.

3. New user calls out the lies, but only gets deeper into trouble with the mods and admins taking the side of the established user despite their obvious lies. After reporting, the new user gets banned for calling out the lies. Moreover, his corrections of the lies get deleted. Nobody cares for the fact that the established user had stopped posting links long ago, and the new user could've continued to post many more relevant links if things had gone his way.

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Whether you believe this report or not, surely you can appreciate that groupthink is undesirable for any community, and new blood providing new ideas are a must for a community to continue to prosper. In stark contrast, Lobsters' constrained registration system which allows only referred users to register is one that maximizes groupthink.

Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by gerikson on Saturday September 07, 2024 @06:34AM (#41473005)
To those interested in verifying or not this narrative, Lobste.rs mod decisions are public:

https://lobste.rs/moderations

I'm a long-term member of the site and I don't generally have any problems with the moderation.

FWIW, what you describe as "AI hate" might just as well be "growth hacker/spammer hate".

Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by OutOfHere on Saturday September 07, 2024 @06:19PM (#41476812)
> might just as well be "growth hacker/spammer hate".

This is utter nonsense since projects in question were in no way affiliated with the submitter. There was never any growth hacking or spam as such. No commercial service was even submitted, so there is nothing to grow.

Another crazy thing that the admin is known to do is to steal credit from a submitter, replacing the story with another story that gets submitted later.

AI aside, the central theme there is that submitters are hated, not valued.

Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by PKop on Friday September 06, 2024 @02:47AM (#41463554)
What's wrong with hating things?
Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by stavros on Friday September 06, 2024 @02:55AM (#41463594)
I hate hating things.
Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by OutOfHere on Friday September 06, 2024 @03:39PM (#41469093)
If there is one thing I learned, it is that hate fixes nothing in this world. It only makes thing worse. Only love, otherwise separation, fixes things.
Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by CaptainFever on Friday September 06, 2024 @04:48AM (#41464225)
I agree with you, but this is an odd thread to post this comment in.
Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by keyle on Friday September 06, 2024 @05:25AM (#41464437)
I read both and this has never been in my thoughts. If you're going to make such bold claims out the wazoo, back it up with some proof? Examples would be a good start.
Re:Show HN: Retronews – TUI for HN and Lobsters emulating cl... by OutOfHere on Friday September 06, 2024 @02:11PM (#41468442)
This is not evidence, but it's something:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41468339