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Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by Fidelix on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:10AM (#41445301)
It's pretty simple.

Twitter is following the law in all cases.

In Brazil's case, the orders are illegal and in some cases contradict the law of other countries. This was all explained pretty well by X Global Affairs: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs

Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by mrtksn on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:15AM (#41445371)
Are they running their own courts and judge the Brazilian courts and came to the legally binding conclusion that this particular Brazilian judge is wrong?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by brigadier132 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:17AM (#41445402)
A country typically falls into dictatorship by breaking its own laws. A judge issuing orders without due process and threatening to jail legal representatives of a company (again without due process), kind of seems a little like a dictatorship in the making.
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by kranke155 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:27AM (#41445565)
You're projecting US values onto a country that is not the US.

All of Latin America is like this, and if X wants to do business there, this is the cost of business.

Twitter was happy to do this in Turkey and other countries. But Brazil has Steve Bannon and Bob Mercer with their hands there, so that should be a factor.

Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by mrtksn on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:19AM (#41445427)
So Twitter is a revolutionary[in Brazil only ]?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by kranke155 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:14AM (#41445339)
You really trust X Global Affairs over an entire government, with no research?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by brigadier132 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:17AM (#41445412)
Yes, but with research
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by goodluckchuck on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:20AM (#41445441)
Governments tend to be corrupt by their very nature.
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by bamboozled on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:30AM (#41445604)
This is a silly comment.
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by kranke155 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:22AM (#41445471)
Corporations and billionaires however...
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by brigadier132 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:25AM (#41445521)
Talk to me when a corporation can be blamed for millions of human deaths.
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by bamboozled on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:34AM (#41445667)
Oil companies, air pollution has killed millions but they have lobbied hard to keep us on the black heroin.
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by brigadier132 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:46PM (#41451220)
Ok, so for every life lost that can directly be blamed on pollution from oil how many were saved due to mechanized agriculture?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by bamboozled on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @10:19PM (#41452887)
That agriculture could've been electrified a long time ago
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by ziddoap on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:31AM (#41445624)
Tobacco companies, alcohol companies, all the companies that support the military industrial complex?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by brigadier132 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:34AM (#41445659)
I should've been more clear. I meant murders.

And blaming companies that produce weapons for the deaths caused by them is silly.

Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by rbanffy on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:34PM (#41450472)
Oh... Now we are selecting the method... Knowingly creating addicts to something that causes cancer (both tobacco and alcohol) is OK since when?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by brigadier132 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:45PM (#41451213)
So, since I don't want to shift goal posts and I originally said deaths not murder.

Even if we include all tobacco and opiate related deaths, governments are winning in the death toll game by a lot. And if we factor in pollution related deaths we will also need to factor in lives saved from products produced by businesses as well.

So I don't think you are winning this argument.

Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by diggan on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:27AM (#41445566)
Devils advocate, but what about tobacco companies Philip Morris International and British American Tobacco?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by nec4b on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:26PM (#41449652)
Did they march people by millions into gulags or concentration camps?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by rbanffy on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:36PM (#41450491)
No. They convinced them to willingly use addictive substances that would kill them while, at the same time, suppressing research into the negative effects of smoking and paying lobbying groups to prevent legislation against smoking.

But... Yeah... They were a bit more subtle.

Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by nec4b on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:56PM (#41451296)
>> They were a bit more subtle.

Moral relativism at its finest, when a person selling cigarettes at a gas station is equal to Pol Pot.

I'm curious where would you rather live:

1. A place where they sell cigarettes and deceive you how dangerous they are, but you don't have to buy them if you don't want to.

2. A place where you and you family can be disappeared in the middle of the night. Mind you you can still get cigarettes here as well, but with a lot less variety.

Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by Hamuko on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:29AM (#41445599)
How high is Boeing's death toll at the moment?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by lobocinza on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @10:10AM (#41446058)
Boeing is a military contractor strongly backed up by the US government.
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by rbanffy on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:36PM (#41450495)
So, do we count only accidents or should we add the deliberate use of weapons?
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by lobocinza on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @08:15PM (#41452205)
[delayed]
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by rbanffy on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @11:53PM (#41453312)
Too Strategic to Fail seems to be a thing.
Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by rbanffy on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:33PM (#41450461)
> Talk to me when a corporation can be blamed for millions of human deaths.

Philip Morris? Purdue Pharma? American auto industry and seatbelts?

Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by goodluckchuck on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:35AM (#41445678)
… engage in corruption only to the extent that it is profitable or it otherwise suits their desires / morality.

Governments however, will be corrupt even when corruption loses them money and is contrary to their own self-interest.

Re:Starlink U-turns, will block X in Brazil after all by Gud on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:15AM (#41445363)
"entire government"? really?