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Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by jillesvangurp on Sunday September 01, 2024 @06:15AM (#41415669)
It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule.

I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen that is suitable for this.

My kindle on the other hand I can use sitting in the sun wearing sun glasses. Not a problem. Not that I do that a lot, I stick to the shadows. But we've had some nice warm temperatures here in the last few weeks and it sucks having to sit indoors to be able to do work. I'd much rather be in some nice garden or park.

I'd probably buy anything with a decent amount of hardware power and a good screen like this. I'm OK installing linux on it. Not a problem. I can deal with external batteries and extension cords if needed. But I need my laptop to be fast and have decent keyboards and touch pads.

But it seems all the companies in this space fall in the trap of trying to be Apple and then failing miserably on both the hardware and software front. Slow/outdated CPUs, crippled by anemic amounts of memory, paired with somebody's take on how to do Android, etc. When the screen is just about the only thing about a device that isn't shit, it's still a shit product overall.

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by orlandohill on Sunday September 01, 2024 @07:22AM (#41415968)
You could connect your laptop to an e-ink monitor. That's what I do.

I've been using a 13.3" Dasung Paperlike HD-FT e-ink monitor since 2020. The refresh rate is fine for reading and writing code, and most websites are easily usable in black and white. I normally use a terminal-based text editor in light-mode with syntax colouring turned off. It's not great for detailed videos, but sometimes it's good enough.

Dasung have since released 25.3" monochrome and color e-ink monitors, and a more portable 12" color e-ink monitor.

https://shop.dasung.com/

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by thelastgallon on Sunday September 01, 2024 @09:31AM (#41416854)
Wish it were cheaper. $1600 (closer to 1800 with taxes for most people): https://shop.dasung.com/products/dasung-25-3-e-ink-monitor-p...
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by amarcheschi on Sunday September 01, 2024 @06:51AM (#41415829)
If we're talking about E ink, it happened to study with a guy who had a boox something and it was really cool, however he mainly used it for notes and for writing, and not for coding. I think they offer a lot of products for various needs, perhaps some of them are backlighted. Boox ultra pro c has an underclocked snapdragon 855 so it shouldn't suck too much, just a little. However, they're not cheap
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by SSLy on Sunday September 01, 2024 @08:18AM (#41416353)
onyx is know for flagrant disregard of GPL terms around the kernel
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by amarcheschi on Sunday September 01, 2024 @08:36AM (#41416495)
Oh, I didn't know that
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by paradox460 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @10:35AM (#41417296)
I use a big boox for sheet music. It works well and supports a rather good app for the purpose (mobile sheets)
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by fsflover on Sunday September 01, 2024 @06:21AM (#41415687)
> It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software.

Have a look at PineNote.

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by jillesvangurp on Sunday September 01, 2024 @06:41AM (#41415779)
> Powered by a powerful and efficient RK3566 SoC with four A55 cores, and backed by 4GBs of RAM and 128GBs of eMMC storage

Exactly what I mean by anemic. The only likable thing in that device is the screen.

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by user_7832 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @07:20AM (#41415957)
Likely not the reply you were looking for, but in theory a PineNote would be a great "donor" device for modification. For example - get your favorite SBC (Raspberry 5?), figure out how to connect it (likely eDP, documentation shouldn't be hard), make a new shell/body and you're done!

...If you have the technical know-how, time, space, tools and motivation of course.

It's not that no one does such stuff (see r/cyberdeck), but yeah admittedly if you're not an engineer it likely isn't the easiest.

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by not_your_vase on Sunday September 01, 2024 @10:45AM (#41417371)
It has been sold out since years, and the Pine folks said most probably will never make another batch (they complain that it was their worst selling device ever, and they don't want to make any more before full software support).

I tried to get one since years for fun. The only one that I found that was also shipped to my place was in China, and the seller asked for $1000 (+shipping) for it. I passed. And slowly giving up on buying one.

(Also, with it's RPi3-ish SoC it is not really a laptop replacement)

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by mft_ on Sunday September 01, 2024 @06:52AM (#41415831)
I’m hopeful that the ‘working outdoors’ issue may be solved within a couple of generations of AR glasses.

Something that can project one or two virtual monitors at a workable resolution, without totally cutting off the outside world, and while looking roughly like a pair of glasses.

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by Terr_ on Sunday September 01, 2024 @07:28AM (#41416007)
One problem is going to be selectively darkening pixels within the glass itself to get a decent contrast.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Sunday September 01, 2024 @07:25AM (#41415992)
> most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa

This has also been my experience.

[SOURCE] Software engineer for hardware companies, for over 30 years.

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by LtWorf on Sunday September 01, 2024 @07:29AM (#41416013)
> Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside

Shiny screens are notoriously bad outdoors.

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by carlosjobim on Sunday September 01, 2024 @06:54AM (#41415837)
Your best solution right now is the 13 inch Onyx Boox Tab X. Put it in front of your MacBook screen and connect through VNC, or leave the Mac at home. They can't connect through wire. Or wait and see if they release a color version of the same size soon.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by reirob on Sunday September 01, 2024 @09:59AM (#41417033)
I have a color Boox tablet, and I am very very disappointed about the colors. Very hard to distinguish many colors and shades. Black and white though is really good.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by carlosjobim on Sunday September 01, 2024 @10:48AM (#41417398)
I have also seen the color eink tablets, and the colors are so dull that you at first glance can take it for grayscale. Even so, I think colors would be very good to have for work and functional purposes, only to distinguish between colors. Certainly not for enjoying them.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by neom on Sunday September 01, 2024 @08:49AM (#41416586)
This company out of Vancouver Canada is doing some interesting stuff, their V1 device isn't quite what you're looking for, but I'd keep an eye on them, my understanding is what you're looking for is where they are going: https://daylightcomputer.com/
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by trentnix on Sunday September 01, 2024 @10:52AM (#41417433)
They are explicitly mentioned in the article. Where they are headed is definitely compelling, but to echo so many other comments, it’s just not quite what I want, yet.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by JonChesterfield on Sunday September 01, 2024 @09:10AM (#41416735)
The Kobo tablet seems to be a straightforward Linux instance running on an arm chip. I think it's going to run arbitrary userspace code just fine.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by JonChesterfield on Sunday September 01, 2024 @09:14AM (#41416755)
> Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside.

There's a hack for that. Involves running a full screen transparent overlay which tricks the OS into letting you turn the screen brightness all the way up. Silly that it's necessary but works very well. I don't remember the name of the program.

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by WillAdams on Sunday September 01, 2024 @09:55AM (#41417002)
Trying to outbright the sun on a battery powered device just results in displays w/ burnt-in screen elements and a dead battery.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by JonChesterfield on Thursday September 05, 2024 @06:25PM (#41460905)
Leaving the charger connected while doing this is a good idea, yes. Presumably the screen will die eventually, but maybe not if Apple spec'ed it sufficiently well. No hardware lasts forever anyway.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by acallaha on Monday September 02, 2024 @12:14AM (#41422523)
I think you're referring to the Vivid app, which I find works very well for this purpose with recent Macbook Pros: www.getvivid.app
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by WillAdams on Sunday September 01, 2024 @09:54AM (#41416998)
I really miss, and worry that I will never be able to replace my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4110 which had a transflective display (which allowed using it in full-bright, direct sunlight, even at the beach) and a stylus --- closest I came was a Samsung Galaxy Book 12 (which I wasn't able to replace).

The problem is, trying to out-bright the sun on a battery-powered device is exactly as stupid as it sounds, and solutions such as transflective displays don't showroom well (someone should build a showroom w/ a light booth which simulates a bright sunny day and invite folks to try to use devices in it w/o shading them).

At this point in time, I'm seriously considering switching to a Raspberry Pi 5 as a daily driver (paired w/ a Wacom One 13 gen2 display w/ touch) --- if that display could be supplemented by (or swapped out for) an e-ink or similar daylight viewable pen-enabled display, it would probably push me over the edge (and yes, I've considered just pointing my Kindle Scribe's web browser at a page on the rPi --- if someone has a tool which would allow this to capture stylus input, please let me know).

Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by throwaway48476 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @11:20AM (#41417673)
There's a new company whose name I forget making a transflective display tablet.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by WillAdams on Sunday September 01, 2024 @07:41PM (#41421275)
I would be very interested in this, esp. if it runs Linux.
Re:E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" displ... by tomthe on Monday September 02, 2024 @08:38AM (#41424931)
This one might be interesting for you: https://daylightcomputer.com/ it has a fast e-ink-type of display. Unfortunately it is expensive and not available.