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Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by ekianjo on Saturday August 17, 2024 @05:49AM (#41273143)
this also means companies are much more hesitant to hire
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by consp on Saturday August 17, 2024 @05:55AM (#41273172)
Having short term contracts solved this a long time ago and is mostly a fallacy.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by Leherenn on Saturday August 17, 2024 @07:09AM (#41273580)
Short term contracts have pretty big downsides though. It's basically impossible to get a mortgage on a short term contract, or more generally any kind of loan. Even renting is difficult.

That's why many EU countries have pretty strict limitations on short term contracts, like how many you can do in a row. It results in a huge reliance on contractors.

Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by lazide on Saturday August 17, 2024 @07:16AM (#41273621)
Short term contracts are basically taking the entirety of the ‘shit’ end of the stick for someone else, and are way worse than the median tech job in the US conditions wise.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by refurb on Saturday August 17, 2024 @06:22AM (#41273318)
How is a short term contract a solution? It sounds like you don’t have a job at the end of the contract?
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by lazyasciiart on Saturday August 17, 2024 @06:39AM (#41273399)
Yes, but you know when that will happen.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by lazide on Saturday August 17, 2024 @07:16AM (#41273625)
Soon. Maybe, since it could get renewed eh?

The US also has contractors.

Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by ekianjo on Saturday August 17, 2024 @11:37PM (#41279964)
nope. you dont invest the same way in a 6 month contractor that you are not sure to renew down the road as you would for a full time employee. And this goes both ways. The contractor has not much incentive to perform well either.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by Timon3 on Sunday August 18, 2024 @08:24AM (#41281925)
> And this goes both ways. The contractor has not much incentive to perform well either.

Can you explain your thoughts here a bit further? The short term contract can be renewed or replaced with a full time contract. This should provide extra incentive to perform well compared to a full time employee (who doesn't have to worry about either), as long the as the company is a good employer.

Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by johnnyanmac on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:42PM (#41285324)
>The short term contract can be renewed or replaced with a full time contract.

As someone in games, this is exactly the road to getting exploited. "If I work harder and really wow them with this feature, I could get full time work!" meanwhile, there were plans to not renew anyone at the end of the project and to lay off full time workers. But you get a convinient carrot to lure starry-eyed devs with

Your "as long as the company is a good employer" is doing Atlas levels of lifing here.

Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by Timon3 on Monday August 19, 2024 @12:00PM (#41292152)
Sure, that's my point. There is nothing inherent in short term contracts that makes employees less invested - that's your fault as a company.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by johnnyanmac on Monday August 19, 2024 @12:24PM (#41292390)
Burn too much good will and people will treat the contract as a contract. And not a hope to impress the boss for a ft role. Another short term exploitation that turns into long term cynicism.

I don't think that's happening in games or tech, but it's been widely observed that Gen Z is less invested in corporate than ever before (or from the boomer's POV: "nobody wants to work anymore").

Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by Timon3 on Monday August 19, 2024 @12:45PM (#41292563)
Sadly, that's what happens when everything is treated as a resource in exchange for short-term gains. Employees, good will, any morals and ethics - all will be sacrificed on the altar of shareholder value.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by madeofpalk on Saturday August 17, 2024 @06:21AM (#41273311)
I would rather companies be a lot more deliberate about hiring people rather than just hiring and firing willy nilly.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by surgical_fire on Saturday August 17, 2024 @11:05AM (#41275058)
Ehh, this is bullshit. Companies will hire when they need.

It actually makes companies more hesitant to fire.

Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by ekianjo on Saturday August 17, 2024 @11:33PM (#41279946)
more hesitant to fire means they are more hesitant to hire. that 100% goes together.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by wkat4242 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @01:12PM (#41276026)
So what. Getting jobs isn't a problem here, on the contrary.
Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by littlestymaar on Sunday August 18, 2024 @09:34AM (#41282295)
Employment figures for Ireland or Germany aren't far from their US counterpart.

And on the other hand, the French government dramatically loosened the rules around layoffs in 2016 (you can let people go as soon as you have a decline in sales over a few month, a negative cash flow over the same period, if their are new competitors on your market, or even just if there's technological change in your sector that justifies getting rid of people). It was 8 years ago and it has had little to no impact on France's unemployment, which is still very high.

Re:X to pay €550k to employee fired for not replying to yes-... by johnnyanmac on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:38PM (#41285304)
I'd rather go through a bigger hoop one time every 10 years or more than the current circus of being let go every 2-3 years and needing to re-interview. The latter just means I spend part of my free time worrying about the next job hop by studying trivia, instead of doing something I actually like to do.