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Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by tantalor on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @11:33AM (#41247268)
The best part of this is the channel doesn't pause when you flip away from it. It is always "running" and if you flip away you will miss it. That builds in a FOMO trade-off which causes user to automatically/subconciously decide on channel they most want to watch, because they can't watch everything.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by angry_moose on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:02PM (#41247579)
I added ErsatzTV to my Plex setup about a month ago and we honestly love it so much. I've got 2 sitcom channels, British panel shows, Taskmaster, all Star Trek all the time, British sitcoms, cartoons, and a few others.

Its really nice to just sit down and watch "whatever is on" (even though I could switch over to the main library and watch any episode I want).

Sometimes I just want a 0-effort/0-decision background noise while I work on something else or browse on my phone.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by hadrien01 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:14PM (#41247740)
I've done the same thing with dizqueTv for my grandmother. On her Android TV, I was able to integrate the IPTV channels on the same channels list, so she can simply use the remote to navigate between the digital channels and the IPTV channels (30 for Hercule Poirot, 31 for classic B&W movies, etc.)
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by archon810 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:38PM (#41248565)
dizqueTv, ErsatzTV... these are the "Chinese company names on Amazon" of TV app names.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by universa1 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:24PM (#41249609)
No clue about dizqueTV, but ErsatzTV is German for tv replacement/substitute :-) so it has a little more meaning then the Chinese Amazon names ;-)
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by vijayr02 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @04:26PM (#41250133)
Ersatz is also a perfectly cromulent English word [0]

[0] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ersatz

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by l72 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:39PM (#41248009)
I've also been using ErsatzTV with my jellyfin setup. It can take a while to setup channels how you want them, but I love my sci-fi channel which is going through all the Star Treks, Stargates, and Twilight Zones.

It is so much easier to flip it on to my Sci-fi Channel, animation channel, movie channel, or James Bond marathon channel then to decide what to watch. And since I've seen all this content, it is often kinda nice to start in the middle of an episode.

I also found a ton of old Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and Adult Swim bumps that I use as some filler content if I want episodes to start on the hour.

I've been thinking a lot about setting up some kids channels with specific hours (like channel comes on at 7am, goes off during part of the day, comes back on in the afternoon, and goes offline at bedtime) for my siblings kids, as I think letting them just browser youtube kids is terrible.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by lackstein on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:46PM (#41248067)
> I also found a ton of old Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and Adult Swim bumps

Where were you able to find these? Recreating one of these channels has been a side project I’ve wanted to do for ages.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by l72 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:18PM (#41248347)
I think it was mostly youtube and retrojunk.com

Try searching for "$channel bump"

Personally, I think Adult Swim had the best bumps, usually just some nice house music with a nice animation and some funny quotes.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by ChadNauseam on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:23PM (#41249023)
I'm really interested in this but I'm having trouble googling. What is a bump? Is it referring to this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumper_(broadcasting)
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by l72 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:14PM (#41249512)
Yup. Here's a playlist for adult swim ones. I just used yt-dlp and passed in the playlist URL and it will download all the bumps as separate files:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS8kchdwFPM&list=PL075thqiB6...

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by fmj on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @08:43PM (#41252161)
There's a torrent going around the usual places that has every [as] bump from the launch of the network to whenever they last updated the archive (a few months ago in my case.)
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by vundercind on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:59PM (#41248193)
Do you know if that can operate with no transcoding?

I’ve designed my media set-up around Jellyfin on a weak server that can’t handle transcoding, and very-capable clients that don’t need it. This lets me avoid like half the bugs on the Jellyfin bug tracker and all the instability an Nvidia or AMD video card would introduce to the server itself.

I’m very interested in this, but can’t use it if it must transcode.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by l72 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:14PM (#41248313)
No, it must transcode to work correctly, which can be a problem for me too (although I just have an intel card and use vaapi).

I believe there is a container you can use where it doesn't transcode, but it trips up every player I have tried, as they do not like having different resolutions/codecs suddenly swap.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by vundercind on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:17PM (#41248336)
Damn, kinda what I figured. Thanks. Maybe some day I’ll upgrade/downgrade to a less perfectly-stable server that is transcoding capable.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by Saris on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @04:25PM (#41250126)
What CPU?

Intel Quicksync is very capable (even more so than most AMD/Nvidia cards) and any 7th gen or newer Intel CPU with integrated graphics has it and has good codec support.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by vundercind on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @04:53PM (#41250403)
It’s an old used Lenovo workstation. It has a some kind of quad-core Intel processor but can’t usefully transcode from h.265 at all (no hardware support, I assume) and is bad at most other codecs at resolutions above 720p or so. Even transcoding within its limits seems to tax it, so I doubt it could maintain two transcodes at once in any case—we sometimes have three streams going, or one or two plus someone playing on its Minecraft server, and it can keep up with all that just fine, but transcoding’s out.

I’ve even seen it turn into a slideshow remuxing original video with transcoded audio. It’s not very capable.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by Saris on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @05:33PM (#41250739)
Ahh probably a Xeon CPU, they don't have an iGPU.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by einsteinx2 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @07:37AM (#41273735)
I was checking out their docs and ran across this option for channels:

> HLS Direct does not transcode content and can perform better on low power systems, but does not support watermarks and some clients will have issues at program boundaries

Sounds like that might be what you’re looking for?

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by Cyph0n on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @04:59PM (#41250433)
ErsatzTV is amazing. It’s actually excellent for settings up kids channels. You can configure start and end times and select a pool of content/shows/movies to pick from.

One nifty feature is that you can configure “filler” content to inject randomly between episodes. I used this to add short educational clips from a kids TV channel in the Middle East.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by enobrev on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:04PM (#41248849)
I've been using Quasi TV (android app) to try out the concept. I remember having something similar back in the boxee / xbmc days. I especially liked that it "just worked" without having to set anything up besides pointing it at my plex. I'm not afraid of hosting something, but I didn't want to go through the trouble if it turned out I wasn't going to use it.

I quite like it. Unfortunately, the app's been a bit buggy - not always picking up the stream at the "current time" and sometimes navigation gets wonky. But it was a good test run and that, along with your post, has convinced me to give Ersatz (or something like it) a try.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by A_Duck on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @11:55AM (#41247510)
Yep this works really nicely, and psychologically it's somehow way more relaxing than having to curate what you watch

I predict this appears as real youtube feature soon. Since it will also allow them to do a Spotify-style payola approach to scheduling.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by digging on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:13PM (#41247719)
> I predict this appears as real youtube feature soon.

I doubt it would. The modern style of binging on-demand streaming content seems to be too effective at capturing attention. Remember that lots of people get notifications on their phone the instant a new video comes out for a subscribed channel, especially kids and teens who haven't developed resistance to these business models.

YT would be unlikely to spend any effort implementing an alternate mode that doesn't capture attention as effectively; the old model of live channels is likely a niche preference. If somehow this did prove to be more effective at capturing attention, I could see it being implemented, but that would surprise me.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by Group_B on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:27PM (#41247898)
well they already have youtube shorts, which is kinda similar.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by bobbob1921 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:37PM (#41247990)
I hate that if anytime I upload a short video it forces the video to YouTube shorts. Especially since I’m not making content for the public - it’s more a demo video or something to specifically send to a few people. As with so many services nowadays, I like the ability to use YouTube shorts when I want, but I hate that it’s forced upon us with no reasonable and consistent method to not use shorts at the users discretion.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by rd on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:03PM (#41248226)
Uploading horizontally or >1m should fix this?

Most things or demos I send are horizontal, but I agree, the automatic shorts of vertical is annoying

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by crucialfelix on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @07:30PM (#41251726)
But that triggers an immediate tiktok dopamine chase. I immediately want to judge what I'm seeing and swipe to move on. I start wondering about the ML training on my every move and hesitation. It's restless
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by aa-jv on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:54PM (#41248135)
Along the same lines, I have a near-terabyte of videos I have downloaded from Youtube, of my own vast and multivariate interests, and having it on random, with a simple pause/next/prev-style interface, is also a compelling viewer-experience equillibrium akin to the sets of yore ..

(cue Buggles..)

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by 0cf8612b2e1e on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:23PM (#41248402)
I have long wanted Netflix to offer this feature. Just give me a random episode of a low stakes sitcom. Seinfeld, SVU, whatever.

My other wishlist item was that Netflix would offer a “shuffle” this series option. For standalone episodic shows, ordering does not matter, and it is a bunch of overhead to pick something.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by dustincoates on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:03PM (#41248836)
Netflix offered this in France back in 2020[0], but appeared to have removed it in 2022[1].

0: https://www.vulture.com/2020/11/netflix-linear-channels-dire... 1: https://www.numerama.com/pop-culture/1273686-netflix-direct-...

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by saintfire on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:57PM (#41248783)
I didn't realize how much I would appreciate shuffle until i started using jellyfin.

I use it all the time for shows that have self-contained episodes (e.g. Futurama).

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by dotnet00 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:37PM (#41248552)
>I predict this appears as real youtube feature soon

I highly doubt it. They're going to wait for competitors to implement it and have it for several years before they bother to poorly copy the idea.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by teska on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:57PM (#41248785)
They experimented with it for a bit last year. I think Linus talked about it on the WAN show, and for a while LTT had it enabled on their channel.

It was essentially a 24/7 livestream which played from their back catalogue, with the ability to add "promo" segments in between videos, which they used for products on their merch store.

Seemed to dissapear around the same time the whole monoblock scandal and production shutdown happened last year, so I'm not sure if the YouTube experiment also concluded or if they turned it off during the shutdown.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by hadisafa on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @11:41AM (#41247360)
channels are synced so everyone is watching the same exact content at the same time, just like TV.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by aman2k4 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @11:37AM (#41247326)
yeah when i noticed this, it blew my mind.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by notfed on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:38PM (#41248001)
Another observation: with this setup, you essentially randomly jump into the middle of videos, skipping what is usually the most grating part of the show: the intro.

In the intro to most shows/videos, there's annoying jingles, silly animations, a redundant summary of what's about to happen in an already short segment, or just useless chatter "hey guys! it's your boy, _. welcome to my channel, remember to smash that like button, we have a great show today".

Because of all this intro bloat, I tend to jump a few minutes into most YouTube videos by default.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by ryandrake on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:52PM (#41249847)
This was the first thing I noticed, too. It's amazing how much better it is, simply leaving off all that "what's up guys" introduction.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by tantalor on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:55PM (#41248146)
The only thing worse than the intro is the 2nd intro. Just get to the GD content please.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by fmj on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @08:54PM (#41252215)
It's no longer functional, but in the past if you appended the parameter t=wadsworth to a YouTube URL it would skip the first 30% of a video.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by recursive on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:03PM (#41248839)
I don't see how this is a good thing. It's a totally artificial constraint. It's already impossible to watch everything on youtube. I don't want software I use to instill fear as a design goal, detached from any of the outcomes of user actions.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by squeaky-clean on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:48PM (#41249803)
Because like TV, when you're watching something, you know other people are watching exactly the same thing. And that's pretty cool.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by TheKarateKid on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:06PM (#41248861)
The FOMO would only work if the content was exclusively available during that livestream, and not re-posted later.

That being said, I think the last thing society needs is to make these platforms more addictive. The algorithms already do a good enough job of keeping us glued.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by imiric on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:21PM (#41249010)
If only we had a TiVo...
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by slillibri on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:05PM (#41249426)
> It is always "running" and if you flip away you will miss it.

Throw in some ads and it will be everything I hate about broadcast TV.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by langcss on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:48PM (#41249806)
That is what it was like in the 90s! Although you could use your VCR to record the other channel.
Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by pests on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @04:40PM (#41250267)
I use Pluto for this. Quick download, no sign up required, and tons of topic-specific channels to switch to. I put it on all my devices and don't even worry about it.

Google TV also has a "Live" tab that collects all the live channels across all your apps and puts it into a TV guide grid. I've installed Fubo and Tubi and others just to build out my TV guide.

Works pretty well.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by jondwillis on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @07:22PM (#41251644)
I was part of Pluto's launch team. We used to literally just be 95% YouTube embeds that were forced into a live-like experience client-side. Getting simple YouTube or even HTML5 video API calls to work reliably in 2013 was quite a feat. Loads of people still had Flash, mobile browsers were a crapshoot, and I caused many many thousands of early Amazon Fire TV hard restarts due to crashing their (kernel?) video decoder somehow.

Fun times.

Re:Show HN: If YouTube had actual channels by isk517 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @06:58PM (#41251392)
Each channel displays the video code for the YouTube video its playing so if you see something interesting you can easily access the video. I really like this as a curated discovery tool, there is something up flipping thru channels and catching something at just the right time to peak your interest that viewing a clickbaity thumbnail and video title just can't replicate.