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Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by maCDzP on Monday August 05, 2024 @11:39AM (#41162364)
I was born after Max Headroom aired, but for those of you that saw it while it aired, how was it?
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by mixmastamyk on Monday August 05, 2024 @12:18PM (#41162716)
I enjoyed it a lot, though was a kid. It made a statement similar to the movie Network (1976), that I somewhat understood at a young age—they’ll do anything for ratings.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by speed_spread on Monday August 05, 2024 @12:58PM (#41163106)
Add to this Cronenberg's "Videodrome" and you'll have a great movie night.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by yanowitz on Monday August 05, 2024 @12:04PM (#41162583)
Absolutely amazing. American TV was a desolate landscape with occasional stuff so good you couldn’t believe the oasis wasn’t a mirage. Max Headroom was in that category. And of course it didn’t start in the States.

Dunno if it would hold up today though

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by jl6 on Monday August 05, 2024 @12:05PM (#41162599)
Your description of American TV certainly holds up today.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by settsu on Monday August 05, 2024 @01:19PM (#41163312)
Personally, I don't think it has to hold up.

At least not necessarily in the way that this is generally meant, i.e., a timeless classic that more or less transcends the historical context that produced it and, probably most importantly, does not require the audience to know or grasp that historical context to appreciate it (even if understanding the context would add to the appreciation.)

However that doesn't mean it can be no less entertaining and interesting, just that it probably requires some context. This isn't an uncommon issue for popular media which, by definition, is a product of and for its time. Humor/comedy is especially notable for this. In my experience, very little comedy is truly timeless.

However, relevance can of course resurge (and I would make a distinction from more cyclical trends as is seen in fashion, for example.)

And thus I'd say Max Headroom was very much a product of its time and, aside from "ha-ha-old-tech!", you'd most likely need to have at least some knowledge of the social and political landscapes of the time to understand what and who it was satirizing.

But also, sometimes—often?—it's just capitalizing on the cultural moment.

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by shuntress on Monday August 05, 2024 @06:24PM (#41166177)
> very little comedy is truly timeless

This depends almost entirely on the type of comedy. Things like reference, satire, or shock are obviously dependent on the specific context of time in which they were made and of course become less meaningful as times change.

But comedy is not inherently less "timeless" than any other art. Who's on First is genuinely still funny almost a century later.

The little bits of surviving ancient comedy may seem trite but being simple does not make the jokes less "timeless".

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by jeramey on Monday August 05, 2024 @07:54PM (#41166676)
Indeed. In the same vein, Jerome K. Jerome's "Three Men in a Boat" has made me laugh out loud more than a century after it was originally written.

That said, Shakespeare's humor, as an example, lands more flat with me. English idioms and grammar have changed quite a bit since the 16th century, and though I can intellectually approach his plays and recognize the humor, I rarely laugh out loud to it because there's additional mental load required just to understand what's been said. I suspect that may be true of "Who's on First" in another couple of hundred years, too. I'll report back in 2224 and let you know!

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by nzgrover on Monday August 05, 2024 @09:32PM (#41167120)
One of my favourite lines is from Three men in a Boat: "George has a cousin, who is usually described in the charge-sheet as a medical student, so that he naturally has a somewhat family-physician way of putting things".
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by caf on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @07:24AM (#41244868)
I tend to agree that Who's On First is a exactly the sort comedy that will lose its pithiness in time, moored as it is to the cultural context of baseball and contemporary English wordplay.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by jfoutz on Monday August 05, 2024 @08:06PM (#41166735)
I dunno. The specific mechanism of a reporter uncovering some bad actions and spreading the word on TV, may not hold up so well.

Corporation creates advertisements with, uh, bad side effects, and their own employee calls them out on it. That seems, pretty modern.

A good chunk of it is horribly dated. but some parts seemed really fresh. I think I rewatched ~ 4 years ago.

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by morsch on Monday August 05, 2024 @01:23PM (#41163346)
What other stuff comes to mind?
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by finnh on Monday August 05, 2024 @02:22PM (#41163898)
Twin Peaks
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by southwesterly on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @12:35PM (#41172476)
It is happening again.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by finnh on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @03:03PM (#41174126)
That gum you like is coming back in style.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by fsckboy on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:08PM (#41165636)
>American TV was a desolate landscape

not really, culturally the 70's was more desolate where the 80's was a rebirth.

The 80s spawned Cheers, LA Law, Hill Street Blues, Dynasty, Dallas, The Cosby Show, Murphy Brown, The Golden Girls, Family Ties, The Wonder Years, The Facts of Life, St. Elsewhere. I didn't watch all of them, but you can't sneer at so many shows with such tremendous production values, appeal, and staying power. A number of the actors have continued to be popular up to the present day.

and that's not even including my personal favorite, ALF. You want edgy? try making a show today with a star who eats cats

https://fanfest.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Alf-Gif.gif

https://c.tenor.com/ELf9Bd2Ho94AAAAC/alf-cat-sandwich.gif

https://media3.giphy.com/media/PS89uO8ZFOXE4/giphy.gif

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by KingMob on Monday August 05, 2024 @01:08PM (#41163213)
Fun fact: the creators of Max Headroom were the creators behind the original 1993 Super Mario Bros movie with Dennis Hopper, Bob Hoskins, and John Leguizamo.

The making of that film is a bit crazy. Part of the issue was, Disney bought the distribution rights shortly before filming was supposed to start, and demanded all these rewrites. Probably also demanded that the stripper scenes be cut. :P

Hoskins claimed that he and Leguizamo started drinking every day before, and between, takes.

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by Obscurity4340 on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @01:29PM (#41173076)
Very fun facts :D
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by andrepd on Monday August 05, 2024 @01:48PM (#41163578)
I found it an absolute gem. Definitely a product of its time, but very enjoyable world and characters.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by dleink on Monday August 05, 2024 @03:55PM (#41164899)
It taught a young me that advertisements can make your head explode, a lesson I carry to this day.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by swayvil on Monday August 05, 2024 @06:11PM (#41166094)
BLIPVERT!! That word came to me a couple days ago. Now I have made the connection.

https://youtu.be/PJP-Ilw_xaY?si=THvq0HE-5GisP7FG

That sound reminds me of the howl of a billion demons. Lovecraftian or Goetian or a forest full of screaming bugs or whatever.

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by dr_dshiv on Monday August 05, 2024 @06:15PM (#41166115)
The movie came first, “20 minutes into the future.” It’s on YouTube and very good, if you like art films.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by qingcharles on Monday August 05, 2024 @07:52PM (#41166667)
It was wild. It was literally like nothing else. A breath of fresh air.

I'm surprised there's no Max Headroom VTuber right now...

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by jackthetab on Monday August 05, 2024 @09:25PM (#41167088)
Great! It was inventive and dystopian. Many of the stories were lifted from classic sci-fi concepts.

Of course, it hasn't held up. The subtitle was "20 minutes into the future" so it wasn't designed to be timeless a la Star Trek or Star Wars.

Also, the trajectory of Max Headroom was great: started off as "the first digital talking head for commercials, i.e. not human _at all_, did commercials for Coke IIRC, music videos (Art of Noise), had a late night talk show, a TV series.

I still have a Max Headroom poster hanging in my fl-fl-flat.

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by defrost on Monday August 05, 2024 @11:36PM (#41167575)
Errr, I hate to be the person that breaks this to you but ....

Fake Digital Head !!

The tried but it was before CGI was really up to it so they fell back on a real actor, latex head covering, dropping frames in post production and other tricks.

It was Close (To the Edit) for it's time though . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=167KTppW8Yw

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by invalidlogin on Monday August 05, 2024 @10:21PM (#41167328)
Excellent. I looked forward to it and enjoyed it.