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Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by lawlessone on Friday August 02, 2024 @01:49PM (#41140961)
I'm surprised dating sites work well enough that 50% of customers meet via it. They've no incentive to help you leave.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by smcameron on Friday August 02, 2024 @04:00PM (#41142106)
50% of heterosexual couples meeting online is not the same as 50% of customers of dating sites entering a relationship.

It could be the case that say, only 10% of dating site customers end up in a relationship, and this 10% amounts to 50% of the total couples, and the math would work out.

E.g.: suppose the total population is 1000 people, 500 of which are on a dating site, and the total number of couples is 20, 10 of which were formed via the dating site and 10 of which were formed by other means, and 960 people are out of luck.

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by throwaway48540 on Saturday August 03, 2024 @05:06AM (#41145481)
That's a possible theory, but we know the reality is opposite.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by autoexecbat on Friday August 02, 2024 @01:59PM (#41141063)
They probably have some internal churn targets to hit, else people will start to figure out that the app isn't worth their time and try a different one
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by flappyeagle on Friday August 02, 2024 @02:27PM (#41141294)
It creates a much worse problem actually. Why have a committed relationship when you can always press a button to look at hotties and have a pull at the sex slot machine?

If they design the system right, their audience just won't marry or have long term stable relationships

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by sulandor on Friday August 02, 2024 @03:53PM (#41142042)
online dating (apps) did not invent uncommitted sex.

debatable if it got more prevalent because of them, as afaik the statistics indicate both, less short _and_ less long term relationships, so :shrug:

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by kevinob11 on Friday August 02, 2024 @02:54PM (#41141531)
I can think of a few reasons why people want (either already or after enough pulls of the slot machine) a committed relationship.

Though to be clear, just because I think the other more stable thing is valuable to folks even with the availability of the sex slot machine, I still don't love businesses trying to push slot machines or any kind really.

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by ta_1138 on Friday August 02, 2024 @06:14PM (#41143130)
Only the people that have really huge success rates, which is very small, and gets way worse as one ages. Have you seen the swipe stats from many Tinder users? What you describe is not a reality for even the top 1% of hetero male users.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by tsss on Saturday August 03, 2024 @02:19PM (#41148240)
It is true for the top 99% of women.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by XMPPwocky on Friday August 02, 2024 @08:47PM (#41143899)
Do people go on dating sites to look at "hotties"? I've heard there are better websites to do that, many free of charge!

(Not a rhetorical question - as a queer person who's never used a dating site or app and who's been in a long-term relationship (now married) for almost 8 years now, I really do have no idea what people do on there.)

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by mewpmewp2 on Friday August 02, 2024 @10:11PM (#41144198)
I think it really depends on the people. The slot machine would always get more boring and meaningless as time goes on and if someone wants meaningful relationship because they find the slot machine boring, this is what they will look to make happen. Maybe it is for the good to get it out of their system faster so they know what they want and get something meaningful.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by mlloyd on Friday August 02, 2024 @10:18PM (#41144231)
I think committed relationships are on the decline more because of the change in how women interact with and are viewed by society, than technology. Each successive generation of women over the last several decades has increased their ability to earn an independent successful living, control their sex life without negative labels, and remove the expectations that their only value is domestic-oriented.

Where in the past women settled for a number of reasons, including economic and societal/familial expectations, they no longer do. And because women are much less apt to settle down, men settle down less too. More free women = more free men = less committed relationships. (assuming we are seeing fewer committed relationships - I didn't fact-check that)

Not at all scientific, just a vibe.

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by naveen99 on Friday August 02, 2024 @11:44PM (#41144541)
Fewer children -> fewer commitments
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by lotsofpulp on Saturday August 03, 2024 @06:19AM (#41145718)
Also, being in a relationship with a bad partner is worse than being in a relationship with no partner, especially for women who are in more physical danger.

Therefore, with increased ability to live independently, expect more risk adverse behavior, which means a larger percentage of the “bottom” of the dating market goes uncoupled forever.

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by Der_Einzige on Sunday August 04, 2024 @11:25AM (#41154131)
Women claim this but the success of dark triad traits and the “I can fix them” meme imply that most people actually do want to be in a “bad relationship”.

I’ve heard women unironically say “I want him to fuck my life up”. Risk aversion is only a trait in the poor or those with significant trauma, which the dating market reminds us, are dysgenic traits…

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by jprete on Friday August 02, 2024 @02:05PM (#41141104)
That's both a horrible thought and a near-certainty.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by ZoomerCretin on Friday August 02, 2024 @05:20PM (#41142791)
Good thing Match is a monopoly that owns all of the giant dating apps except for Bumble!
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by kelipso on Friday August 02, 2024 @03:37PM (#41141906)
Wonder what that percentage would look like as a function of relationship length.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by itishappy on Friday August 02, 2024 @02:26PM (#41141287)
Customer success stories are free advertising.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by loa_in_ on Friday August 02, 2024 @02:31PM (#41141327)
And the need for the service doesn't need to be fabricated, it's innate.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by darby_nine on Friday August 02, 2024 @02:30PM (#41141312)
They just need to work once. Who knows how many failed attempts at finding someone preceded the one that suck.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by KittenInABox on Friday August 02, 2024 @02:09PM (#41141133)
It might not be dating sites. I've heard of people in WoW guilds dating back in the day.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by itishappy on Friday August 02, 2024 @02:27PM (#41141295)
I have a friend who met her husband on an old Dance Dance Revolution forum!
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by duskwuff on Saturday August 03, 2024 @03:02AM (#41145095)
Let me guess: DDRFreak?
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by itishappy on Monday August 05, 2024 @01:55PM (#41163643)
Believe so!
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by chasd00 on Friday August 02, 2024 @07:11PM (#41143437)
I had a couple of very fulfilling relationships with people I met on a band fan site.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by ars on Friday August 02, 2024 @03:15PM (#41141716)
There is no shortage of potential customers, there is a shortage of actual customers. Anything they can do to attract more business helps them. So if they have tons of success stories they'll get far more business.

It would be different in a saturated market, where they might want to try to keep people on the site, but that's not the case here.

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by fsckboy on Friday August 02, 2024 @07:22PM (#41143502)
>They've no incentive to help you leave

they have plenty of incentive to get you some dates, after that what are they gonna do?

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by dyauspitr on Saturday August 03, 2024 @01:45AM (#41144893)
Get you bad dates with incompatible people?
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by chongli on Saturday August 03, 2024 @02:04AM (#41144953)
I'm surprised dating sites work well enough that 50% of customers meet via it

It’s not that surprising when you think of selection effects. Suppose you have a sack full of marbles. Half of the marbles are pink and the other half are random assorted colours. Now reach into the sack and pull out two marbles. If they match then they get married and you set them aside, otherwise return them to the sack.

It’s easy to see that it won’t take very long until hardly any pink marbles remain. After that it’s going to be a total crapshoot to pull out a pair of matching marbles. Maybe some more pink ones get added at a later date but they’ll match and get removed.

The fundamental problem with dating sites cannot be solved by any business model: marriageable people (or otherwise people who can form and maintain a longterm relationship) are removed from the pool of potential dates. What’s left are all those who can’t or won’t form relationships. These “misfits” (for lack of a better term) tend to get concentrated in the pool over time. Perhaps it even gets so bad that marriageable people give up and just avoid dating sites.

Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by Hnrobert42 on Saturday August 03, 2024 @04:32AM (#41145392)
This describes what I have intuited happens while dating in ones 40s.
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by bravetraveler on Saturday August 03, 2024 @06:10AM (#41145693)
Seems to start in the 30s, in your 20s there's still hope. After that finding someone unscorned is rare, becoming such yourself. Ask me how I know
Re:The Upstream Cause of the Youth Mental Health Crisis Is t... by roenxi on Saturday August 03, 2024 @06:03AM (#41145668)
> The fundamental problem with dating sites cannot be solved by any business model

Well, it can be solved but not by a dating site (evidence: this was a solved problem in the past). But it'd have to be very radical compared to modern dating. Arguably the branding couldn't be as a dating site, but as a stable community where people don't get removed over time so the concentration of non-pink marbles never rises.

That is something like the old model that church communities would have used. The marriageable ones pair off, but they are still in the community of people talking to each other. New marriageable people entered the community, didn't feel overwhelmed or different and eventually pair with other new entrants. The business model has to be that drawing a pair isn't ever expected to result in marriage and is fun by itself but serious dates might happen. Then the system would be viable.