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Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by moojacob on Saturday July 06, 2024 @12:43AM (#40888212)
I'm incredibly excited Nutrient-dense GMOs.Imagine a world where produce is not only cheaper, but healthier.

Unfortunately there are special interest groups who have twisted public opinion.

Over 1 million kids die every year due to Vitamin A deficiency. Some of these groups are trying to ban Golden Rice, GMO rice infused with viatamin A (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/25/...).

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by lithos on Saturday July 06, 2024 @09:00AM (#40890194)
More likely to follow the exact path that selected breeding did. Shelf life, increased size, herbicide immunity, and similar at all other costs.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by safety1st on Saturday July 06, 2024 @10:11PM (#40894765)
The opinion of an expert in the article directly contradicts your cynicism.

> The push for nutrient-dense GMOs is a recent trend, says Kathleen Hefferon, a microbiologist at Cornell University. The first wave of GMOs were for staple crops that were easier to grow.

> "There was a real push of trying to achieve food security for a lot of populaces in developing countries and usually that involved making these staple crops that grew better, such as rice and corn and wheat and things like this," she explained.

> A transgenic papaya was introduced to combat a virus that was destroying the crops in Hawaii. It's largely credited with saving the industry on the islands. There were also crops to increase nutritional value for populations in developing countries. Golden rice was developed in the late 1990s to have more beta-carotene to combat Vitamin A deficiencies. Because of practical and regulatory issues, the crop never took off.

> The trend now is for biofortified foods, like the Purple Tomato.

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by rhcom2 on Saturday July 06, 2024 @10:22PM (#40894800)
There are no doubt groups against all GMOs but Monsanto definitely deserves some credit for linking GMOs with awful business and ethical practices.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by coin on Saturday July 06, 2024 @10:56PM (#40894949)
What specifically?
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by fragmede on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:51PM (#40895145)
that whole suing farmers for patent infringement for using seeds from their own fields that were contaminated by the neighbor's Monsanto plants thing sticks out for me.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by coin on Sunday July 07, 2024 @12:38AM (#40895307)
I think the case you're referring to is Monsanto Canada Inc v Schmeiser. It often gets misreported that Schmeiser was sued simply for his field having been contaminated from his neighbor. The reality is that while Schmeiser's field did have some cross pollination of his neighbor's Roundup Ready canola, he intentionally applied Roundup thereby killing off his own non-RR plants. He then kept the remaining pure RR canola and replanted it on a much larger scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc_v_Schmeise...

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by fragmede on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:15AM (#40895420)
The reality is that the seeds were on his land, and they're seeds. It seems wrong that to sue someone for that in the first place, and then furthermore to win the case just seems wrong. The fact that he used Roundup to get the right seeds isn't this gotcha that changes public opinion. As children, before we're taught economics, we learn farmers plant seeds to grow corn to feed us. Suing the farmer for planting seeds hurts this very basic role we learned as kids. Of course the world is more complicated than the world we learned of at seven, but this is a farmer planting seeds.

That bit in India also sounds horrible.

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by Suppafly on Monday July 08, 2024 @01:57PM (#40907632)
>It seems wrong that to sue someone for that in the first place, and then furthermore to win the case just seems wrong.

That's a lot of 'seems' that ignores that last hundred years or so modern farming and the case law around seed patents that has existed since the 30s.

> As children, before we're taught economics, we learn farmers plant seeds to grow corn to feed us. Suing the farmer for planting seeds hurts this very basic role we learned as kids.

Generally anytime someone's argument is based around an appeal to emotions, you can be they aren't dealing with reality and logical thinking. Doubly so when you're talking about planting corn when discussing a case about canola.

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by nilamo on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:47AM (#40895537)
This reads like you're a lawyer for Monsanto, as if a massive organization sueing an individual farmer over such meaningless drivel should be considered acceptable practice.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by Suppafly on Monday July 08, 2024 @01:53PM (#40907594)
Yeah I'm always surprised when anyone that's actually bothered to read the details of the case comes off thinking Monsanto is the bad guy in this situation. They irrationally hate Monsanto so much that they are willing to pretend that no amount of crime against them is wrong, it's bizarre. I think a lot of it is due to being ignorant to the last hundred years or so of how modern farming works. A lot of the complaints I hear about them have no basis in reality at all. I'm not a fan of the company but really they are no more evil than any company that I am a fan of.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by slv77 on Monday July 08, 2024 @08:50AM (#40904956)
Monsanto engineered several crops to create their own insecticides with genes from bacillus thuringiensis (BT). BT corn was approved by regulators for corn not intended for human consumption.

In practice it became impossible to keep BT corn out of the food supply. With corn as a staple crop and the international trade in corn everyone on the planet became a test case.

There was controversy on the impact of corn pollen on non-target species, including monarchs and lady-birds/lady bugs and bees. Follow-up studies didn’t show significant impact in quantities likely to be encountered in the field.

All GMs have risk of pollen drift and the risk of gene spread. Farmers growing non-BT corn for export may have their crops rejected in some markets if contaminated. Corn cross pollinates with a genetic ancestor of corn in South America which is considered a weed because it can cause domestic corn kernels to not develop properly. There is some risk of gene transfer and creating a “super” weed.

https://ejbpc.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41938-018-0...

https://ohioline.osu.edu/factsheet/agf-153

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by helloworld42024 on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:03PM (#40894973)
So you're saying because 1 Million children die every year is due to Vitamin A you believe the answer is genetically modify rice rather than actually feed the children a balanced diet of Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?) or even supplements?

I suppose in theory we can put every nutrient needed known to man in a grain of rice one day.

But just because you could, does it mean you should? I suppose this opens up a much more broader discussion of morals, ethics and potentially alogical topics of conversation.

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by sfifs on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:27PM (#40895057)
Arguably yes. In this day and age of prosperity and technological development of our species, isn't it unethical and morally depraved to let children to die of malnutrition when a simple change could help?

Iodine enrichment of salt achieved much the same in so many countries.

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by NotMichaelBay on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:54PM (#40895157)
Fortifying foods with nutrients is not a new concept (bread, cereals, etc), and I don't have any studies on hand but my assumption is that since it's been done for decades, it must have noticeable benefits to public health.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by klyrs on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:21PM (#40895043)
Vitamin-A enriched foods are indeed a solution that can be implemented by swapping a single component of an ecosystem rather than the complete overhaul that you're proposing.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by helloworld42024 on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:29PM (#40895067)
Sure, I mean - let's just simplify the whole system. 1 Cup of genetically infused full daily-meal Rice®™℠ for every single person on the planet. One cup sized serving portion of nutrient material. Yum.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by klyrs on Sunday July 07, 2024 @12:14AM (#40895207)
No. Don't redesign the whole system! Why do people have that reflex?
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by fragmede on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:42PM (#40895109)
You have heard of Soylent and Huel, right?
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by big-green-man on Sunday July 07, 2024 @02:59PM (#40899643)
"Yum" is not the point though, it's avoiding malnutrition, starvation and death. Maslow's hierarchy of needs and all that, survive first, then later when they're not dead they can worry about producing culinary delights.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by tedunangst on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:18PM (#40895030)
It's easier to meet the people where they are. If they eat rice, feed them better rice.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by helloworld42024 on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:40PM (#40895104)
"Sorry we are having trucking difficulties and supply problems at the moment. Please take your daily serving of 1-cup all nutrient dense supplied food called Rice®™℠. Remember be grateful to your {INSERT ENTITY HERE}"

...And remember kids "It's easier to meet the people where they are!"

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by kurthr on Sunday July 07, 2024 @12:17AM (#40895220)
They already know how to grow, transport, store, and cook rice. Just give them the seeds.

I think you're the one proposing to supply "Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?)", which they may not know how to grow, transport, store, or cook.

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by fragmede on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:47PM (#40895129)
Meeting people where they are dates to the 1940's, when we started putting iodine, iron and other additives into food with a significant impact in reducing disease like goiter and anemia all over the world.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by coin on Sunday July 07, 2024 @12:41AM (#40895315)
> rather than actually feed the children a balanced diet of Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?) or even supplements?

As if no one has ever thought of this and it's just that simple.

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by VMG on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:42AM (#40895515)
Obviously the answer is yes
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by nilamo on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:51AM (#40895550)
Consider Mars. Starting a colony would require a minimum amount of material to be sent. The more densely packed those seeds are with nutrients, the better.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by big-green-man on Sunday July 07, 2024 @02:57PM (#40899635)
Starvation is an acute problem for those living with it. They need to not die right now. So yes, absolutely we should do it. The converse is saying to them "it's better for you to have a balanced diet, which is harder to do, so you're just going to have to starve." Just solve the problem they're living with in the cheapest, easiest way possible, and then improve the overall picture when the situation isn't so dire.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by pawelmurias on Monday July 08, 2024 @05:39AM (#40903977)
If you could make such a rice it would be awesome.
Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by Suppafly on Monday July 08, 2024 @01:59PM (#40907648)
>So you're saying because 1 Million children die every year is due to Vitamin A you believe the answer is genetically modify rice rather than actually feed the children a balanced diet of Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?) or even supplements?

Yes.

Re:Gardeners can grow a genetically modified purple tomato m... by hollerith on Monday July 08, 2024 @02:01PM (#40907664)
>Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?)

And oily fish, liver, cheese, and butter.