You’d think this would be part of the order process instead of a completely separate and detached step.

Anyone with a basic understanding of tech, would understand you're not going to get Apple level breakthrough engineering from a start-up and at that price point.

I feel this got swept up in the wave of hatred for the Humane AI Pin (again very obvious what it'd be). Humane's biggest fault was that they marketed it as being at Apple level quality, an impossible goal they set for themselves.

Reminds me of Magic Leap.

https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1805689140639408277

https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1805985433156759781 (this is the OP)

https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1805993239368860069

Doesn't help that he was shilling crypto right before rabbit. What people love about the form factor has mostly to do with Teenage Engineering's quirky design. Somehow Jesse is a board member there, it seems.

In general I don't recommend trusting their software. If you like the hardware, you can flash AOSP and use google assistant -- it's way more capable and AOSP isn't harvesting your credentials. https://github.com/RabbitHoleEscapeR1/r1_escape

With my eternal love/hate relationship with Teenage Engineering (cheap enough music gadgets vs overpriced metal folding table and OP1 price inflation) I'm almost excited to find more reasons to stop giving the company any more brain time / money ever again.

I get pretty annoyed when people lie to me to sell me something even if it's obvious they're lying.

Even moreso if I want to try the thing they've actually built and want people experimenting with this stuff. If I didn't care I could just ignore it.

But if I do care and also I know their main claims are deceitful it means I have to waste energy wondering if the claims that aren't obvious nonsense are also deceitful.

On top of this they managed to make major news rounds with their bogus presentation. This means my family who don't usually consume tech news, and for whom none of it was obvious nonsense, got super hyped about it and I had to tell them no, this is just tech people lying to you.

We SHOULD encourage hacking on form factor, novelty gimmick devices or not. Lying and misrepresenting when doing so is the opposite of that, it makes it harder for the next folks to want to give it a go.

Exactly. When companies put out half-baked products to try to ride a hype wave, they're betting on idea that their customers are idiots with the same low standards. Companies need to hold themselves accountable and have enough respect for themselves and for customers to not inflict crap onto the world.

I think it's because of the promises of the team (new Large Action Model) vs what's actually being delivered (the model is some scripts). The team has a history of over promising and underdelivering (or scamming - depending on your perspective). It's also economically unviable. Somehow you're meant to get free LLM calls for life but there's no way for them to actually cover those. There's not really any communication about how it might be a limited time thing for early adopters or how it could ever get to be sustainable.

If they had focused on what they have, they probably could have charged the same amount and people would generally be OK with it. But they've over promised and under delivered again. I think the reaction is pretty understandable.

Their attitude of not communicating anything and basically inventing stuff the R1 can do without actually having the engineering to back it up is what is "scamming" to me. Over-promising and under-delivering is one thing, but lying about what something can do and then going back to the engineering team to "just make it happen" is what I am reading between the lines here.

...to you. Someone who lurks hacker news.

Given what my some of the people I work with think AI is, I can't even imagine how bad it is out there.

And the founders asking for billion dollar buyout? Just a little joke.

And the $200 you spent on a device that doesn't do what it was advertised as? Just a prank, bro.

I think Humane seemed the more honest out of all of them with what actually shipped, but should have probably sold it at $200 instead of the price of a higher-end phone.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/8/17662040/magic-leap-one-cr...

The Rabbit promised to be a smartphone-killer, when all it was was a shitty android phone that only runs one app.

I think people are mad about being scammed, not out of having an unsuccessful product.

That isn't clear to me at all, although continuing to experiment is worthwhile.

"Battery powered computer which fits in a pocket, having a screen/speakers/radio/microphone/camera/vibrator" is a hard form factor to beat. There's a lot of room to improve the specifics of how they work, but I would bet on something recognizably similar being in widespread use hundreds of years from now, provided that industrial civilization continues.

Voice-driven ambient computing will probably become more prominent than it is now, but that doesn't cover anything visual, so a device which can provide images on command will stay relevant. For something like a map, audio can only provide an inferior experience, and maps are one of the non-negotiable uses of a personal device, and likely to remain so.

As the founders beg for a buyout even as the product has completely failed, it can't be any more clear that this was a get-rich-quick scheme by the founders, and never a serious venture.

"Experimenting with form factors" is a cop-out for what they actually did.

You can wear them all the time, even if your hands are busy, it won't look weird, they're the perfect place for a microphone and a camera, and the frames are just in the right spot for delivering sound to your ears via bone conduction.

Input is probably going to be the biggest hurdle, just like it was with touch screens, especially in situations where using your voice isn't acceptable.

I think Google had the right idea with Google Glass, but they were far too early, just like IBM had exactly the right idea with Simon[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon

I think the question is: what’s hardest of the following:

* Knowing what you’re looking or pointing at

* Getting you private audio

* Getting you public video

* Getting you private video

And we’ll get hardware constraints based on that list. It seems to me like private video is hardest in hardware without glasses, but public video might be harder in terms of capex - e.g. we need different materials in our spaces, or a lot of projectors, or … Anyway fun to speculate about all this.

There's more leakage than you get with normal headphones, it's not something you could use in a church, library or cinema without annoying people, but it's private enough for most use cases.

But then i guess, they are smarter. We are running out of money (bootstrapped) & don't have a working product yet to pitch to investors. But i'd rather fail than releasing a half-assed product to make a quick-buck and lie about it constantly.

I just don't know where to find potential investors to talk to, who are up for a high risk consumer hard- & software, early stage, in europe... If anyone got some tips, they'd be greatly appreciated. Not much time left before we're dead & i think it's better to die close to a prototype than close to a potential funding.

But as i said, i'd love any tips.