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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by appalp on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @04:13PM (#40650944)
Exactly. Although they are often erroneously conflated, this is the key point that distinguishes gay rights activism from trans activism.

For the former, we campaigned for equal treatment under the law. Like when we said we want to get married, we made the point that this doesn't affect in any way the marriage that heterosexual people have, because the rights are actually the same.

The trans activists don't want that. Equal treatment and tolerance isn't enough for them, they demand dominance above all else.

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @04:19PM (#40651001)
Agreed. This is evidenced by the existence of boards enforcing ESG standards, and management enforcing DEI programs throughout most corporations and businesses, in order to protect against even the slightest perceived threat against discriminatory hiring decisions made entirely around immutable traits, rather than skill and merit.

Disney's leaked hiring standards document earlier this year is a smoking gun, and it's a safe assumption most other corporations towing the same line have the same or similar reprehensible hiring standards.

DEI is patently anti-white and anti-straight, and its rhetoric and materials (everything from training to editorials) are not shy about expressing it in plain terms that it is a revenge campaign masked by good intentions and a smile. All in a way that mirrors the beginnings of 20th century atrocities around the world, that were also rooted in hatred towards specific groups perceived as threats to society on the basis of immutable traits.

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by not_alexb on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @04:50PM (#40651310)
> The trans activists don't want that. Equal treatment and tolerance isn't enough for them, they demand dominance above all else.

Equal treatment and tolerance.. Ever since I started transitioning, people have treated me much worse, and I live in a so called liberal city. My pharmacist looks at me like I'm a freak. I've had slurs thrown at me several times while I'm just out minding my business. Half my family wont even... I don't know what parallel universe you live in where people are treated like this equally..

Where do you find all this time to hate on a group you don't even remotely understand? I'm happier than I've ever been and it seems like all of yall are making it your business to make that as miserable as possible.

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @04:57PM (#40651378)
Outside of calling it hate, why do you think people even in the most "allied" places respond to you in that way? Do you think perhaps they're afraid they may be helping an activist who may deem their services unacceptable? The track record has it that in these situations, service providers are at a major disadvantage, if anything remotely goes wrong during their interactions.

If activists belonging to protected classes are creating such enormous fear, do you feel misrepresented by them? What are you willing to do to help remove that fear? Do you think it creates an unfair imbalance?

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by not_alexb on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:10PM (#40651525)
This writing has a lot of parallels with the writings of men who are scared of women after the metoo movement.

Anyway, you're conflating fear with disgust. I haven't seen much fear, if at all; what I have seen a lot of is, hate that looks the exact same as before trans activists had any platform.

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:21PM (#40651650)
Do you think that reaction is natural, given the patterns and preferences of most of human society?
Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by not_alexb on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:33PM (#40651796)
This has little to do with human society. Western society, maybe. Plenty of other societies don't assert a distinct binary for gender (which doesn't even exist in sex; intersex people exist at the same rates as people that are red-headed, and you wouldnt call red heads unnatural).

Even if it was "natural" you're making the choice to treat someone like shit. You can backpedal onto what all your peers are doing all you want, but that doesn't change how you as an individual are making another human being, who has done nothing to you, feel

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by flFlflFl on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:39PM (#40651880)
> intersex people exist at the same rates as people that are red-headed

Not true.

> the choice to treat someone like shit

Telling a man he's a man and that he's not allowed in the women's locker room or whatever isn't treating him like shit, it's treating him like any other man.

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:46PM (#40651957)
> you wouldnt call red heads unnatural

I'm not aware of anyone trying to alter their own genes to be red-headed, and for those who dye their hair, I don't see them holding parades exposing their genitalia to minors. I also don't see anyone getting fired from their jobs for openly disliking red hair, out of personal preference.

> who has done nothing to you

Not personally, no, but fads widely supported by institutions and corporations have major consequences. Parents are choosing their children's gender and following through with irreversible transition surgery in order to gain status among their peers, politically. This surgery is not only costly, but potentially lethal, given how necessary it is for long-term use of antibiotics and resistances that develop as a result.

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by fleetingmoments on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @04:30AM (#40655849)
Classic case of conservatives being deathly afraid of things that only exist in their imaginations.
Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @10:35AM (#40658662)
I'll refer you to this tiny snippet of overwhelming evidence:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40658653

Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by jmcgough on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @06:01AM (#40656369)
No one is performing surgeries on children. You need to get your news from more fact-based sources.
Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by sophacles on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @06:06PM (#40652158)
Why do service providers who provide inadequate service need protection? They choose to be shitty service providers and they suffer the consequences. Basic free-market right there bud - either the market wants the same thing as the activists and money, prestige, etc flow to those who agree with the activists, or the market doesn't want it and those service providers who the activists are happy with fails.
Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by pseudalopex on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @04:51PM (#40651318)
> Like when we said we want to get married, we made the point that this doesn't affect in any way the marriage that heterosexual people have, because the rights are actually the same.

> The trans activists don't want that. Equal treatment and tolerance isn't enough for them, they demand dominance above all else.

Gay rights opponents said the same about you. A gay man and a straight man had the same right to marry a woman. You denied it was equal. And a separate but mostly equal status wasn't enough for you. You demanded they call it marriage.