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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @04:57PM (#40651378)
Outside of calling it hate, why do you think people even in the most "allied" places respond to you in that way? Do you think perhaps they're afraid they may be helping an activist who may deem their services unacceptable? The track record has it that in these situations, service providers are at a major disadvantage, if anything remotely goes wrong during their interactions.

If activists belonging to protected classes are creating such enormous fear, do you feel misrepresented by them? What are you willing to do to help remove that fear? Do you think it creates an unfair imbalance?

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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by not_alexb on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:10PM (#40651525)
This writing has a lot of parallels with the writings of men who are scared of women after the metoo movement.

Anyway, you're conflating fear with disgust. I haven't seen much fear, if at all; what I have seen a lot of is, hate that looks the exact same as before trans activists had any platform.

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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:21PM (#40651650)
Do you think that reaction is natural, given the patterns and preferences of most of human society?
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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by not_alexb on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:33PM (#40651796)
This has little to do with human society. Western society, maybe. Plenty of other societies don't assert a distinct binary for gender (which doesn't even exist in sex; intersex people exist at the same rates as people that are red-headed, and you wouldnt call red heads unnatural).

Even if it was "natural" you're making the choice to treat someone like shit. You can backpedal onto what all your peers are doing all you want, but that doesn't change how you as an individual are making another human being, who has done nothing to you, feel

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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by flFlflFl on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:39PM (#40651880)
> intersex people exist at the same rates as people that are red-headed

Not true.

> the choice to treat someone like shit

Telling a man he's a man and that he's not allowed in the women's locker room or whatever isn't treating him like shit, it's treating him like any other man.

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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:46PM (#40651957)
> you wouldnt call red heads unnatural

I'm not aware of anyone trying to alter their own genes to be red-headed, and for those who dye their hair, I don't see them holding parades exposing their genitalia to minors. I also don't see anyone getting fired from their jobs for openly disliking red hair, out of personal preference.

> who has done nothing to you

Not personally, no, but fads widely supported by institutions and corporations have major consequences. Parents are choosing their children's gender and following through with irreversible transition surgery in order to gain status among their peers, politically. This surgery is not only costly, but potentially lethal, given how necessary it is for long-term use of antibiotics and resistances that develop as a result.

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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by fleetingmoments on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @04:30AM (#40655849)
Classic case of conservatives being deathly afraid of things that only exist in their imaginations.
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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by docmars on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @10:35AM (#40658662)
I'll refer you to this tiny snippet of overwhelming evidence:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40658653

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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by jmcgough on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @06:01AM (#40656369)
No one is performing surgeries on children. You need to get your news from more fact-based sources.
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Re:Lynn Conway Has Died by sophacles on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @06:06PM (#40652158)
Why do service providers who provide inadequate service need protection? They choose to be shitty service providers and they suffer the consequences. Basic free-market right there bud - either the market wants the same thing as the activists and money, prestige, etc flow to those who agree with the activists, or the market doesn't want it and those service providers who the activists are happy with fails.
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