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Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by alberth on Monday June 10, 2024 @02:57PM (#40637028)
Regarding OpenAI, has Apple in its history ever relied so heavily on a 3rd party for software features?

(TSMC for hardware, but it seems very un-Apple to be so dependent upon someone else for software capabilities like OpenAI)

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by OkGoDoIt on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:04PM (#40637181)
Google Maps in the early days of iOS?

Anyway it seems like a small subset of Siri queries utilize ChatGPT, the vast majority of functionality is performed either locally or with Apple's cloud apparently.

They were also pretty explicit about planning to support other backend AI providers in the future.

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by gfosco on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:03PM (#40637168)
The OpenAI reference came at the end, and it appears it's mostly a fallback... an option, that users must explicitly allow every time. Hardly a dependency. Most of the time, it will be on-device or apple-hosted in "private compute cloud", not connected to OpenAI at all.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by martimarkov on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:02PM (#40637141)
They did it with Google Maps and YouTube. They also do this with the search engine used in Safari.

I believe they will just provide an interface in the future to plugin as a Backend AI provider to trusted parties (like the search engine) but will slowly build their own ChatGPT for more and more stuff.

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by insane_dreamer on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:43PM (#40637856)
As with Google Maps, my guess is that they will only rely on it long enough to get their own LLM offer up to parity, at which point it might still be there as an option but there will be very little need for users to activate it.

Also, it seems that most of Siri's improved features will still work without it (though perhaps less well in same cases) -- and therefore Apple is not fully dependent on it.

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by whywhywhywhy on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:00PM (#40637100)
OG iPhone had Google as Maps provider and YouTube both within Apple shells and the branding downplayed in Maps case

That’s the only case I can think of where it’s an external tech you’re making requests to, usually it’s things like Rosetta made out of Apple IIRC but integrated internally

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by latexr on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:06PM (#40637224)
> Rosetta is made out of Apple IIRC but integrated internally

Don’t think that’s right. I think Rosetta was always made inside Apple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)

Perhaps mixing it up because of Rosetta Stone?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone_(software)

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by kevbin on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:39PM (#40637790)
> Transitive is providing the engine used in Apple's Rosetta software, which translates software for its current machines using PowerPC processors so it can run on forthcoming Intel-based Macintoshes. "We've had a long-term relationship with them," Transitive Chief Executive Bob Wiederhold said Tuesday.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/the-brains-b...

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by latexr on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:15AM (#40645837)
Thank you for the correction. For those wanting to know more, the technology was called QuickTransit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTransit

Rosetta 2 may have been developed in-house, though. That bit isn’t yet clear.

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by latexr on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:11PM (#40637336)
That might be smarter than we initially give it credit. By leaving the “safer” (read: harder to get wrong) things to their own models and then the more “creative” stuff to an explicit external model, they can shift blame: “Hey, we didn’t made up that information, we explicitly said that was ChatGPT”. I don’t think they’ll say it outright like that. Because they won’t have to.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by kristjansson on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:06PM (#40637221)
Seems like the OpenAI integration is a nice-to-have, but mostly separate from Super-Siri?
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by dialup_sounds on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:15PM (#40637409)
Maybe I missed something but it doesn't sound like OpenAI is powering any of this except the optional integrations.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by pat2man on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:08PM (#40637274)
Google Maps, YouTube, on the original iPhone?
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by alberth on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:10PM (#40637315)
But those were standalone apps.

This AI capability is integrated throughout the entire OS and Apps.

It's now part of the "fabric" of iOS.

Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by Tagbert on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:34PM (#40637703)
Only in response to some classes of requests. They didn’t go into detail about when but they said that the local Siri LLM would evaluate the request and decide if it could be services locally, in their private cloud AI, or would need to use OpenAI. Then it would pop up a requesting asking if you want to send the request to OpenAI. It doesn’t look like that would a particularly common occurrence. Seems like it would be needed for “answerbot” type of requests where live web data is being requested.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by mholm on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:44PM (#40637882)
The majority of this is local AI with nothing to do with openAI. Only particularly complex requests go to them
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by paradite on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:03PM (#40637164)
Does Microsoft Office in early days of Mac OS count? I guess not.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by philwelch on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:28PM (#40637632)
Microsoft Office was released five years after the Macintosh; what are you talking about?
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by wtallis on Monday June 10, 2024 @04:02PM (#40638139)
The applications that were later bundled into Office were on the Mac pretty early: 1985 for Word and Excel, and the first PowerPoint in 1987 was Mac-only.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by philwelch on Monday June 10, 2024 @04:20PM (#40638458)
Fair, though the very first Macs came with MacWrite preinstalled.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by TMWNN on Monday June 10, 2024 @06:21PM (#40639878)
I don't see why it would not count. Same for Adobe products.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by Almondsetat on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:12PM (#40637363)
iCloud uses Google Cloud
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by LogHouse on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:06PM (#40637220)
I wondered the same, but frankly, what other options are there?
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by hackerlight on Monday June 10, 2024 @04:44PM (#40638804)
It's going to be easy to substitute in their own LLM behind the API in the future. None of the branding or platform is controlled by OpenAI.
Re:Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac by tavavex on Monday June 10, 2024 @11:45PM (#40642080)
OpenAI seems like the last-chance fallback - in which case, they've already done the exact same thing with Siri trying to Google search your request if it couldn't do anything with it.