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Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by pyromaker on Thursday May 16, 2024 @08:26PM (#40385040)
>Our mission is to build a product that makes work life simpler, more pleasant and more productive.

I know it would be impossible but I wish we go back to the days when we didn't have Slack (or tools alike). Our Slack is a cesspool of people complaining, talking behind other people's backs, echo chamber of negativity etc.

That probably speaks more to the overall culture of the company, but Slack certainly doesn't help.You can also say "tool is not the problem, people are" - sure, we can always explain things away, but Slack certainly plays a role here.

Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by barkbyte on Thursday May 16, 2024 @09:33PM (#40385428)
Your company sucks. I’ve used slack at four workplaces and it’s not been at all like that. A previous company had mailing lists and they were toxic as you describe. The tool was not the issue.
Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by muglug on Friday May 17, 2024 @12:26AM (#40386377)
Yeah, written communication is harder than in-person communication.

It’s easy to come across poorly in writing, but that issue has no easy resolution unless you’re prepared to ban Slack, email, and any other text-based communication system between employees.

Slack can sometimes be a place for people who don’t feel heard in conventional spaces to vent — but that’s an organisational problem, not a Slack problem.

Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by vasco on Thursday May 16, 2024 @08:38PM (#40385116)
I disagree slack plays a role. You only mentioned human aspects, nothing to do with technology. There was always going to be instant messaging as software once computers and networks were invented. You'd just say this happens over email and blame email.
Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by userbinator on Thursday May 16, 2024 @10:10PM (#40385628)
Switch to Teams instead.

Only half-kidding, but it's an application which is so repulsive it seems to discourage people from communicating at all.

Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by rjh29 on Thursday May 16, 2024 @09:08PM (#40385288)
> That probably speaks more to the overall culture of the company

Yep. Fun fact, my last workplace had a fairly nontoxic Slack... but there was a whole second Slack dedicated to bitching and shitposting where the bosses weren't invited. Humans gonna human.

Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by grepfru_it on Thursday May 16, 2024 @09:18PM (#40385340)
Was not limited to just the bosses who were not invited. If you weren’t in the cool club you also did not get an invite.

A very inclusive company on paper that was very exclusionary behind the scenes.

Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by eggdaft on Friday May 17, 2024 @02:16AM (#40386971)
What happened when someone from the cool club got promoted and became a boss?
Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by matthewmacleod on Thursday May 16, 2024 @08:29PM (#40385070)
No, I don’t think Slack does play a role in this. It is quite literally a communication tool (and I’d argue one that encourages far _more_ open communication than others).

If Slack is a cesspool, that’s because your company culture is a cesspool.

Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by grob-gambit on Friday May 17, 2024 @08:24AM (#40389126)
I think open communication in a toxic environment can obviously amplify toxicity or at least less open communication can act as a damper on toxicity.

Slack is surely not the generator of toxicity but it seems obvious it could act at increasing the bandwidth.

You can't have it both ways.

Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by rcaught on Thursday May 16, 2024 @10:11PM (#40385633)
Keyboard warriors
Re:Slack AI Training with Customer Data by zemo on Friday May 17, 2024 @01:39AM (#40386717)
HN isn't really a bastion of media literacy or tech criticism. If you ever ask "does [some technology] affect [something qualitative] about [anything]", the response on hn is always going to be "technology isn't responsible, it's how the technology is used that is responsible!", asserting, over and over again, that technology is always neutral.

The idea that the mechanism of how people communicate affects what people communicate is a pretty foundational concept in media studies (a topic which is generally met with a hostile audience on HN). Slack almost certainly does play a role, but people who work in technology are incentivized to believe that technology does not affect people's behaviors, because that belief allows people who work in technology to be free of any and all qualitative or moral judgements on any grounds; the assertion that technology does not play a role is something that technology workers cling to because it absolves them of all guilt in all situations, and makes them, above all else, innocent in every situation. On the specific concept of a medium of communication affecting what is being communicated, McLuhan took these ideas to such an extreme that it's almost ludicrous, but he still had some pretty interesting observations worth thinking on, and his writing on this topic is some of the earlier work. This is generally the place where people first look, because much of the other work assumes you've understood McLuhan's work in advance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understanding_Media