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Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by tiffanyh on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:11PM (#40380734)
That's ridiculous.

How do you explain Stonehenge then?

(which was built in England yet no one can explain how Brits did it)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by alephnerd on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:13PM (#40380757)
I was disputing the notion that Egyptians CAN'T build monuments. I think my tone might have been too tongue in cheek.

> which was built in England yet no one can explain how Brits did it

To quote one of my favorite Adult Swim shows (China IL) - "F**ing people figured it out ... Nerd don't estimate all of humanity by the limits of your capabilites"

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by lupusreal on Thursday May 16, 2024 @02:06PM (#40381367)
I don't think anybody says the Egyptians couldn't build the Sphinx, they obviously built a lot of stuff at that scale or larger which isn't disputed. Plenty of people do claim that about the pyramids, but that's a separate and (IMHO) far kookier claim than the Sphinx stuff.
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by alephnerd on Thursday May 16, 2024 @02:09PM (#40381406)
> I don't think anybody says the Egyptians couldn't build the Sphinx

That's what the hypothesis u/tiffanyh EXPLICITLY says, and connects with the larger theory of Atlantis and Thule.

They already brought up the fairly discredited hypothesis that humans couldn't have built Stonehenge, ignoring the fact the prehistoric megaliths are actually fairly common, and "simple machines" are a fairly well known concept throughout much of history, and forced labor was VERY common throughout much of history.

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by lupusreal on Thursday May 16, 2024 @04:15PM (#40382617)
> That's what the hypothesis u/tiffanyh EXPLICITLY says

No it isn't. The Sphinx water erosion idea says that the Sphinx is too old to have been built by the Egyptians, not that the Egyptians were incapable of building things like the Sphinx. The claimed evidence is apparent water erosion on the Sphinx and climate records, not the complexity of the Sphinx.

> They already brought up the fairly discredited hypothesis that humans couldn't have built Stonehenge

They didn't say humans couldn't build the Stonehenge, they claimed that nobody knows how it was done. They can clarify if they wish but I take this to be a rebuttal of your argument that "alternate" theories about ancient megaliths are obviously rooted in racism; Stonehenge is the subject of such interest despite being European. It's not motivated by some sort of racist desire to show that Britons are racially inferior people who can't stack some stones, it's just a legitimately interesting thing to wonder about.

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by Hikikomori on Thursday May 16, 2024 @07:37PM (#40384650)
There's plenty of people saying that, they're not serious scholars but they're people. From aliens did it to a race of white people travelled the world and shared their technology before a cataclysmic flood.
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by jedberg on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:24PM (#40380869)
> which was built in England yet no one can explain how Brits did it

There was a guy who rebuilt a section of Stonehenge using only techniques that could have been used thousands of years ago, and explained how it was possible to build it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by guerby on Thursday May 16, 2024 @05:10PM (#40383202)
Thanks! Made my day :)
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by alephnerd on Thursday May 16, 2024 @06:26PM (#40384092)
I recommmend watching similar videos about the monoliths in Easter Island.

Human Innovation is amazing. If only we can channel that into renewables constructively (don't give me Big Oil bullshit. I told enough of them my mind and my peers did to which is why we have a renewables boom now)

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by shufflerofrocks on Saturday May 18, 2024 @05:44AM (#40397661)
>don't give me Big Oil bullshit. I told enough of them my mind and my peers did to which is why we have a renewables boom now

Could you clarify here? Are you saying that Big Oil has reduced their interference in renewables research? or that it was never the case?

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by hennyting on Thursday May 16, 2024 @09:40PM (#40385459)
You can tell Wally was done with fools claiming that modern tools couldn't do x and y. "Just a big teetertotter with a big kid on one side"
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by abc_lisper on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:21PM (#40380842)
To be clear, it wasn't Anglo saxons nor the Celts nor the steppe invaders before them who built the Stonehenge, though some of their DNA survives in the current population. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47938188
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by card_zero on Friday May 17, 2024 @12:25AM (#40386374)
> The ancestors of the people who built Stonehenge

> the Neolithic migrants to Britain appear to have introduced the tradition of building monuments using large stones known as megaliths.

I mean, OK, yes, but Stonehenge was built in multiple phases by different groups of people over centuries. These farming migrants with Eastern Mediterranean grandparents built phases I and II, which had small stones (the bluestones from Wales, initially placed as grave markers before being moved around a lot) and lots of wooden posts.

The impressive phase with the sarsens, the big stones people picture if you say "picture Stonehenge", is Stonehenge III, and that was built by Beaker People, the steppe invaders. Inspired from the culture of their predecessors, I guess, but maybe for completely different purposes, in so far as any of it had a purpose.

The sarsens were connected at the top with woodworking joints, BTW, as if there was a risk they might fall off without pegs to hold them in place. I've never been sure what to make of that, but my best guess is "tradition". (A previous guess was "everybody in prehistory was drunk".)

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by loufe on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:22PM (#40380849)
I'd argue parent's comment was clearly sarcastic.
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by zaphirplane on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:19PM (#40380820)
What’s mysterious about its construction, is it the sourcing of the stones or some precision in the circle
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by abc_lisper on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:29PM (#40380942)
Each stone weighed 25 tons.
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by Suppafly on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:57PM (#40381277)
I'm not sure why people think it's impossible just because they were large and heavy, we see all sorts of other prehistoric things requiring similar effort and modern scientists have replicated the steps necessary. You can move a lot of weight if you have thousands of people involved doing the work.
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by foobarian on Thursday May 16, 2024 @02:16PM (#40381467)
That reminds me of the various tug-of-war contests around the world where the contestants manage to snap impossibly thick ropes. E.g.

> The 1,600 participants exerted over 180,000 pounds of force on a 2-inch thick nylon rope designed to withstand only 57,000 pounds. Amidst cheers, the rope violently snapped; the sheer rebounding force tore off the left arm of the first man on each side. [1]

https://priceonomics.com/a-history-of-tug-of-war-fatalities/

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by abc_lisper on Thursday May 16, 2024 @02:28PM (#40381586)
Idk, because people are unbelievably not bright. Like humans have hardly evolved in last 200k years, yet, we have made most of the time we had only in the last 500 years. Wheel was "only" invented 6000 years ago. We are only slightly above natural selection in selecting what works. Newton was the first guy to use averages in experimental results - and look at all the brilliant people before him! Socrates, and I am fan, thought writing things down makes people lazy, democracy is a stupid etc - he is arguably one of our finest, and had awesome arguments to back his assertions, yet, he didn't know what works. People only learn through practice, mistakes and improvement. The rest is bogus 99.9% of time. This is why I think we are only slightly above natural selection.
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by bluGill on Friday May 17, 2024 @09:28AM (#40389636)
Don't forget that the world population has been exploding. We have a lot more "bogus" in the world now.
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by Suppafly on Monday May 20, 2024 @02:08AM (#40412747)
People in general aren't that bright, but we're essentially the same build now as they were back then, there is no reason to assume they didn't have any geniuses.
Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by bell-cot on Thursday May 16, 2024 @02:33PM (#40381666)
So? With (for instance) this simple & ancient technology -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipway#Slipways_in_ship_const...

- people can routinely construct ships weighing ~1000X the weight that any one worker (or crane) could lift.

Re:Egypt's Pyramids May Have Been Built on a Long-Lost Branc... by jedberg on Thursday May 16, 2024 @05:37PM (#40383557)
> Each stone weighed 25 tons.

There was a guy who rebuilt a section of Stonehenge using only techniques that could have been used thousands of years ago, and explained how it was possible to build it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs