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Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by all2 on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:47AM (#40271207)
I think it might be too late. I know it's a popular game, but this really killed its momentum.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by ok_dad on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:55AM (#40271243)
Nah, everyone still loves the game and the studio, so I think it'll be okay. In the future, though, they will be less likely to buy a Sony published game. It was all Sony with this decision, and the studio was publicly upset and in some opposition to what was happening. Personally, I think we need:

1) Data protection laws so it isn't profitable anymore to attach useless accounts to games or make games online-only for a similar reason.

2) Consumer laws so that if a change happened with a digital product that removed a feature or made the product worse in some way that they'd have to offer refunds for users.

Those two things would go a long way in today's digital world. Perhaps there could be an omnibus bill to enshrine these ideas into law, and maybe a few others like net neutrality and dare I say some law to prevent cloud providers from holding your data hostage for extreme outbound transfer fees.

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by tstrimple on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:33AM (#40271425)
Yes. I think this just reinforces the DEMOCRACY message.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by johnnyanmac on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:05AM (#40271293)
I've seen much worse campaigns that did not cause change that still ended up being fine in the end. Especially for entertainment, most people just want to go in and do their thing, not be a part of a long term protest/strike on a company.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by topspin on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:34AM (#40271432)
I can't argue that's it's not popular. I just can't imagine why. Watching gameplay footage it looks like any of dozens of similar games. TPS, swarming mobs, orbital strike, woohoo. Would someone tell what this has that makes it so appealing?
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by sundvor on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:34AM (#40271794)
First of all, it's incredibly fun to play with friends.

There's a fantastic story, with simple game mechanics and nearly zero immersion breaking elements.

You can load up and completely leave the real world behind, there's nothing that drags you back to it. Ie not a single symbol of today's 2024 earth; we are fully and truly fighting for Super Earth some time in the future.

Also, physics and realism is absolutely brutal. On the higher difficulty levels, your team surviving until the end feels like a real achievement.

The lore of the game is just amazing, and is lifted by epic music and voice acting, plus stellar graphics.

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by pdntspa on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:41AM (#40271468)
The orbital strikes are effectively unlimited in most cases. I like that this game isn't afraid to give you powerful toys. The devs balance the game around your weapons, not the other way around.

Plus, general execution is top notch and the game is very well optimized; I was getting solid framerates with an i7-4790 and a 1080

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by ambicapter on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:09AM (#40274887)
What is "solid"? I'm dropping to 45 fps in totally pedestrian scenarios with a 2080 and Ryzen 7 3700X.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by pdntspa on Monday May 06, 2024 @11:53AM (#40276057)
I would consider 45 fps "solid" for my needs. I rarely saw it dip below 30 for me

That said I did see some weird framerates on my AMD system... standing on the bridge of your ship overlooking the planet tanked the framerate hard. It has a 2070 Super and a ryzen 5 3600. But that system is in the living room and used like a game console, and I find Helldivers pretty unplayable with a controller, so I dont use it much

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by temp84858696945 on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:03AM (#40271604)
They hit the theme/immersion perfectly for me.

Lots of other games it feels like you are playing a game, there are parts where you like "yah this is like this because game mechanics" that break immersion a lot.

Almost nothing in Helldivers 2 breaks your immersion.

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by cageface on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:57AM (#40271567)
You have to try it to get it. They've really tuned the gameplay and the four player co op adds a huge amount of depth. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of PVE co op games like this.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by theshrike79 on Monday May 06, 2024 @03:01AM (#40271940)
Left 4 Dead might be the closest one, maybe Killing Floor.

But they're more about survival, HD2 is about pewpew for the democracy =)

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by syrgian on Monday May 06, 2024 @08:52AM (#40274048)
I love this genre, and Deep Rock Galactic and Alien Swarm are the only ones that are on the same level. Alien Swarm is even more tactic and punishing (no reviving at all). Full Metal Furies is also very good, but not as similar to the other three.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by cageface on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:00AM (#40285557)
I've put more hours into Helldivers 1 than any other game I've ever played. Unfortunately I don't currently have a machine capable of playing HD2 but it's the kind of game I would consider buying a proper gaming laptop just to play.

Thanks for the tips on the others.

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by Ekaros on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:40AM (#40271461)
Gamers really don't ask much. If those things make up fun playable game it is enough to be popular. I have understood it might be formulaic, but it is well executed.

In the end you could ask same thing about any art. Music is just same notes arranged differently, sometimes with voice lines over it, instruments are mostly same. Movies, pretty much same plot points and similar characters. Same goes for TV shows and books... And all of them are popular.

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by zaptheimpaler on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:43AM (#40271850)
Felt boring to me too. The core mechanic was just shoot everything everywhere with little discrimination and everything felt kinda same. Fun for 5 minutes. It also doesn't help that there's always some annoying racist on voice chat games when you have an accent so that takes out all the joy of co-op unless you have a premade group. Doom Eternal is arguably similar but it has enough variation and finetuning in levels, mobility, powerups, weapons, enemy types, soundtrack to make it very fun.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by theshrike79 on Monday May 06, 2024 @03:00AM (#40271937)
There's a ton of discrimination in where you shoot and with what.

Yea, the basic enemies on the easiest difficulty levels can just be shot with maximum pew pew. Then you encounter the bug that has a bullet proof headplate and it sticks it down to the ground like a shield when you start shooting - and your bullets will ricochet from it, possibly hitting your teammates if you just go hog wild on it.

Then there are the bigger enemies that have specific weak points - usually on their backs and sides, where you can't shoot but your teammates can when it focuses on you.

And the automatons shoot back, pretty accurately from far away.

The difficulty is pretty dynamic too, there are rules on how it works, but you very rarely get a break in the fighting and on higher difficulties running away is an important skill - you don't get points for shooting every enemy on the map, you just waste limited ammunition.

And then there is the plot with an actual human GM deciding what happens instead of some algorithm combined with nice immersion and a bonkers Starship Troopers-esque (the movie not the book) world.

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by r14c on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:38AM (#40271447)
We just love defending democracy
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by senectus1 on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:00AM (#40271262)
nah, its already getting reviews flipped.

It'll come back.

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by Hamuko on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:04AM (#40271286)
I'm seeing 82% of recent reviews being negative on Steam.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by shoghicp on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:32AM (#40271418)
See recent changes already bringing score in the opposite direction https://steamdb.info/app/553850/history/?changeid=23424969
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by Dylan16807 on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:21AM (#40271369)
Check back in 12, 24, and 48 hours.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @08:37PM (#40304125)
As a followup after a couple days, the 30 day "recent reviews" are up to 68% positive.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by fendy3002 on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:58AM (#40271570)
eh, just give some apologize items, cosmetics or credits, then it'll go back to be the most praised game again.
Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by theshrike79 on Monday May 06, 2024 @03:03AM (#40271949)
If they hadn't forced it and instead would've gone like "Hey if you link a PSN account you get this special <Sony IP branded> item set and achievements" people would've done it willingly.

Not everyone, but a good amount. Then they could've gauged the percentage of non-PSN linked players and re-evaluate.

Basically Sony went with the stick and never even attempted a carrot.

Re:Helldivers 2 PSN account linking update will not be movin... by johnnyanmac on Monday May 06, 2024 @04:59AM (#40272640)
"let them eat cake".

Honestly if they gave some reward and still kept the login it would have washed over in a week.