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Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by siva7 on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:26AM (#40113271)
Who's the market for this? Professionals and Consumers may need an iPhone, Macbook, a super luxury display, but VR Glasses? Neither as a professional nor as a consumer can i think of a reason to use this. No killer app so far besides video games. The biggest pain point for me is that i don't want to be immersed in a virtual world - even when the killer app finally sees the day of light.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by jsheard on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:30AM (#40113289)
> No killer app so far besides video games.

Even that's questionable from a business perspective, most companies which took a stab at VR gaming have already given up, except for Meta, who are still losing billions every quarter to keep Reality Labs limping along. If gaming is consumer VRs killer app, and not even that is sustainable after a decade, what hope does anything else have?

Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by sigmoid10 on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:38AM (#40113334)
Valve is making tons of money with the Index. It used to be at the top of Steam charts for a really long time, literally outselling most AAA games. Today it's still in the list [1], albeit a bit lower. But still impressive, considering it costs 20-30x of the average game on that list. And it used to be much more expensive back when it was at the top.

[1] https://store.steampowered.com/search/?l=english&filter=tops...

Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by jsheard on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:40AM (#40113350)
> But still impressive, considering it costs 20-30x of the average game on that list.

The Steam top sellers list is ordered by revenue, not units sold, so each Index they sell is worth 20-30x of a game sale in the rankings.

Hence why Counter Strike 2 is the #2 "top seller" despite ostensibly being free - it's counting revenue.

> And it used to be much more expensive back when it was at the top.

The price actually hasn't moved at all, the full Index kit still costs the same $999 it launched at in 2019. The cheaper SKU on the charts is just the headset without the controllers or base stations, which they only started offering relatively recently, but you still need to have controllers and base stations to use it. The headset alone being as high as it is implies that most of the people still buying Index hardware are existing Index/Vive owners who want to renew or upgrade their existing Lighthouse setup, and few are investing in a complete brand new Index setup today.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by sigmoid10 on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:42AM (#40113357)
That doesn't change anything? If you can sell something for 30x the price of a game while only selling 1/20th of the units, you still beat all big studios in terms of revenue. And the index was literally in the top 10 for, like, several years, with everything included at ~$1k.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by IggleSniggle on Monday April 22, 2024 @08:23AM (#40113674)
I don't want this exact thing, but I do want something similar. A device where I can wander anywhere around my property with keyboard slung on my shoulder and just plop down and work, with as many monitors as I want, no mouse required.

I'd like a lighter, more breathable version of this.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by Shawnj2 on Monday April 22, 2024 @11:58AM (#40115590)
The current tech isn’t there yet but it could be fantastic for travel when it becomes feasible.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by SamuelAdams on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:54AM (#40113461)
I said it before and I’ll say it again. The killer app is home decoration.

Repaint your wall in a snap. Change the look of your rugs, your pictures, your wall art. Have fancy place mats for dinner, all for the cost of downloading some new skin virtually.

If you and your spouse cannot decide on a paint color, good news, you no longer have to! Customize it to each user and you both see exactly what you like.

If you rent and live in a white wall apartment, can’t put holes in walls for pictures, etc, then good news. Just decorate things virtually.

Prices will need to come down for VR headsets, and the headsets themselves will need to be wearable for 14 hours a day. So there is still a long way ahead as far as hardware capabilities go. However this software could be created today.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by IggleSniggle on Monday April 22, 2024 @08:28AM (#40113708)
> wearable for 14 hours

Totally agree that this is the main thing. There are some promising AR glasses, but when you want to work and not just have a HUD, something like the Vision would be better...if it could be comfortable for long stretches. Maybe the Vision is, I think more people would need to try it to know

Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by morsch on Monday April 22, 2024 @08:27AM (#40113697)
Why stop at home decoration? Don't like the way you look? Just change the picture looking back at you in the mirror. Don't like the the new haircut your spouse got? Hair length is just one of many adjustable parameters! Want to eat steak every day? Just have the headset render your lunch slop as a ribeye!
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by codetrotter on Monday April 22, 2024 @09:11AM (#40114020)
> Want to eat steak every day? Just have the headset render your lunch slop as a ribeye!

Big Tech: We hear ya! Our new food AR system is always on. Every meal you eat we will prompt you for what appearance to give your food. Different tiers have different micro transaction prices. Of course there is also a free tier. The free tier will render all food as potatoes. Rendering as meat will start at $5/meal. And there is no limit on how fancy we can make the rendering. Nor how much we will charge you for those fancy renderings. Can’t afford it? Enjoy seeing nothing but potatoes for every meal.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by red-iron-pine on Monday April 22, 2024 @10:59AM (#40115052)
but I can just take a selfie / mirror selfie, and edit it on my phone or laptop. don't need to wear expensive-as-hell VR headsets that give me vertigo, and I can do all of the same things effectively in real time, anyway. non-starter of an idea IMO
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by sylens on Monday April 22, 2024 @09:51AM (#40114362)
Those are all tasks you do...what, once every ten years? Hardly a reason to pay $3000+ for a device
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by rchaud on Monday April 22, 2024 @10:13AM (#40114583)
The OP seems to be saying that you'd wear this on your face for most of the day so you could 'see' the decorations nearly all the time.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by codetrotter on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:32AM (#40113299)
My dream is to have VR goggles that I can wear outside so that I can do my wfh job while going for a walk at the beach.

However, I think it is unlikely to actually be possible to do so productively even with Vision Pro. And I’m not about to drop three and a half k units of money or however much exactly the Vision Pro costs, unless I could know for a fact that it would work for that.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by burutthrow1234 on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:37AM (#40113328)
How would that even work? Are you looking at your surroundings or your work? It sounds like a nightmare version of people staring down at their phones while shuffling down the street.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by codetrotter on Monday April 22, 2024 @08:52AM (#40113882)
Floating windows overlaid over surroundings
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by thunky on Monday April 22, 2024 @09:39PM (#40127556)
Just bring a book.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by bbarn on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:49AM (#40113412)
The market is CEOs who casually leave it unused on display in their offices.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by Ekaros on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:33AM (#40113303)
Also my personal feeling is that Apple is not exactly in this type of gaming. A games on phones and tablets yes, but those playing other experiences are already in other ecosystems be it one of the consoles or PC in general...
Re:Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Ret... by boogieknite on Monday April 22, 2024 @11:55AM (#40115563)
I don't think of it as a single killer app but almost all my clients do is inspect and measure different things in places then managers click on a point on a map related to their measurement to compile reports. They certainly want multiple reports viewable in space in front of them pointing to where in the map they connect to.

When I think of the AVP as an expensive, overqualified dev kit for prototyping those types of cases it makes a perfect sense to me. Now when something wearable for normal people comes around those types of apps will already exist.

It's a longshot but if it were also ruggedized I think it would greatly improve the data collection part too. Not too difficult to think of indoor data collection and form completion an AVP could aid.

How most of the marketing hasnt emphasized games is refreshing. I've played a lot of VR games and very few feel like toys in the way I like video games to feel. I agree that I don't really look for full world immersion but I use my AVP all the time beyond a dev kit just for a big screen while working on the weekend in my living room etc. Really only use immersive environments partially to put a background behind my work screen.