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Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by _fat_santa on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:46PM (#40071355)
I wonder what's preventing us from having airships now offering cruise like experiences in the sky. The only company I found doing them is OceanSky[1] though it seems like they are still in the early stages. My guess is they can't carry enough people to make the unit economics work without charging $10k/ticket.

[1]: https://oceanskycruises.com/

Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by jcranmer on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:34PM (#40071710)
Airships tend to have a problem with poor weather. Of the 5 airships the US Navy used, only one of them lived long enough to be decommissioned, and the other 4 all ended in total structural failure in bad weather. I don't have handy stats for other countries, but I believe it's well in excess of 50% of all airships ending their lives in crashes.
Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by Aperocky on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @10:10PM (#40072264)
All 5 of them operated at a time without weather radar, satellite and internet.

I'd bet they'd all be safe today by simply not moving into weather systems.

Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by jandrese on Thursday April 18, 2024 @01:27AM (#40073251)
The flipside is they may not be fast enough to dodge quick moving weather systems.
Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by dredmorbius on Thursday April 18, 2024 @03:12AM (#40073735)
Or capable of climbing above them.

Airships have pretty surprisingly low service ceilings, and experience a huge trade-off in payload capacity (by weight) vs. operating altitude.

Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by nine_k on Thursday April 18, 2024 @02:31AM (#40073527)
Or, rather, before carbon fiber, kevlar, very strong plastic films, etc.

A modern airship can be made much lighter while also being sturdier and somehow structurally redundant. But its sheer size still makes it expensive. The only relatively operational development I'm aware of is Airlander, and it's still a prototype, since the US Army rejected it.

Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by giantrobot on Thursday April 18, 2024 @05:46AM (#40074501)
The size is part of the problem. An airship's huge size means it has a gigantic sail area. Weather that can't be avoided becomes super dangerous. Even a gentle crosswind during take off or landing could be disastrous.
Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by helsinkiandrew on Thursday April 18, 2024 @03:05AM (#40073695)
> I'd bet they'd all be safe today by simply not moving into weather systems.

It will be safe but of less use than other aircraft/transport that can work in bad weather, or can wait out in a hangar or get in and out of a bad weather system quickly.

Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by Panzer04 on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:47PM (#40071371)
A precipitous amount of older airships went down due to bad weather. I suspect the risks are too high for modern sensibilities - they just seem too vulnerable.
Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by billyhoffman on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @09:06PM (#40071934)
Mustard did an awesome analysis of this exactly this: Flying Cruise Ships, why we don’t have giant air ships

https://youtu.be/LyaYaFzSPac?si=hZ6HV0YuCOg-WUYT

Basically, the economics no longer work. Airships really can’t carry that much weight relative to their operational costs. They’re loud and they’re slow which isn’t a great customer experience. The amount of money you would have to pay for a ticket to make it economical would be more than a first class ticket on a modern jet, which would also get you there much faster.

(BTW all of Mustard’s videos are great. They have super high production value and are primarily about transportation technologies of the 50s 60s 70s and 80s. I recommend watching it on Nebula if you can.)

Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by jvanderbot on Thursday April 18, 2024 @01:05PM (#40078394)
Cruise ships are a terrible way to get quickly to a destination, but they're not a bad way to travel.

Comparing airships to first class air travel isn't the right basis. You want to compare to trains and ships at least. You take a ship or train when speed isn't the objective, rather experience. An airship experience with a few dozen passengers taking tours of beautiful scenery over the course of a coastal trip, or like a group hot air balloon, or something like that.

Re:Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019) by zht on Thursday April 18, 2024 @04:40PM (#40080492)
`You take a ship or train when speed isn't the objective, rather experience`

not sure if that's the case with HSR