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Re:The race to replace Redis by vasco on Friday March 29, 2024 @01:32AM (#39861006)
AWS leeches as much as Garantia Data no?
Re:The race to replace Redis by mythz on Friday March 29, 2024 @02:50AM (#39861328)
AWS are the largest leeches of OSS, syphoning off most the profits and contribute relatively nothing back towards the OSS projects they rent seek from.

The "Free for all except mega cloud corps" license changes are to disrupt this status quo which currently sees the mega cloud corps with impenetrable moats from capturing most of the value of OSS products others spend their resources into building, AWS are then able to use their war chest profits to out resource, and out compete them, using their own code-bases against them.

It's unfortunate organizations need to resort to relicensing stop this predatory behavior, but its clear in AWSs 20+ year history they're not going to change their behavior on their own.

Re:The race to replace Redis by ricardobeat on Friday March 29, 2024 @05:58AM (#39862260)
Except Redis was never meant to be “owned” by this company. They are both predatory.
Re:The race to replace Redis by ufocia on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:29AM (#39862773)
It is not owned by the company. You are free to create your own fork of the code with all the attendant benefits, including monetization, if applicable.
Re:The race to replace Redis by tristan957 on Saturday March 30, 2024 @05:09PM (#39878696)
Only one company is allowed to offer it as a service.
Re:The race to replace Redis by objektif on Friday March 29, 2024 @08:57AM (#39863524)
I think you are right about AWS leeching OSS.
Re:The race to replace Redis by mirekrusin on Friday March 29, 2024 @01:56AM (#39861102)
If you own copyrights you’re not the leech.
Re:The race to replace Redis by Thorrez on Friday March 29, 2024 @02:06AM (#39861138)
Who owns the copyrights? According to the article, since 7.0.0, 24.8% of commits are from Tencent, 19.5% from Redis, 6.7% from Alibaba, 5.2% from Huawei, 5.2% from Amazon.
Re:The race to replace Redis by firstSpeaker on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:06AM (#39861666)
I wonder if there is a qualitative analysis of the commits. Aka, it changed a line of comment vs it introduced a new feature or refactored and increased long term viability, etc.
Re:The race to replace Redis by mirekrusin on Saturday March 30, 2024 @02:23AM (#39872332)
I think you're right.

Some projects require signing copyright transfer before making commits (legal document claiming that you are a) copyright holder and b) you transfer those rights to them ie CLA [0]) so single entity holds whole copyrights.

They usually have a GHA that checks it when proposing PRs.

It doesn't look like redis has any of this.

So they run RedisLabs purely on trademark + admin rights on GH on redis/redis.

If that's the case then they also cannot legally change licence of code that's already there because they're not sole copyright holders of that code.

ps. as a side note that's why ie. SQLite doesn't allow external contributions at all, even though their code is Public Domain – because they can legally claim full copyright/authorship.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributor_License_Agreement

Re:The race to replace Redis by vasco on Friday March 29, 2024 @02:38AM (#39861278)
If you own the copyrights you had money to spend at some point. Other than that unless you are one of the contributors you are leeching, just different flavors of leeching.
Re:The race to replace Redis by exe34 on Friday March 29, 2024 @03:35AM (#39861520)
Is buying the same as leaching now? Words really do get diluted to the point of meaningless...
Re:The race to replace Redis by vasco on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:30AM (#39861798)
How does buying a copyright to a name, literally just being able to call it "Redis" equate to purchasing the code contributions that individual contributors make? They bought the rights to the name, not the project, the project was open-source until the license change and belongs to society as a whole.
Re:The race to replace Redis by ufocia on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:34AM (#39862808)
Your confusing copyrights with trademarks. The project belongs to the authors (perhaps in shares depending on the jurisdiction where it is being copied/derived) not the society. The options that were licensed under BSD generally remain licensed under BSD unless someone revoked that license. It does not seem that the latter has happened.
Re:The race to replace Redis by exe34 on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:41AM (#39861849)
The project still belongs to society as a whole! You can fork it too! You just can't profit off their future work.
Re:The race to replace Redis by ufocia on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:36AM (#39862821)
It does not belong to the society (whatever that's supposed to mean). It is not in the public domain as far as we know.
Re:The race to replace Redis by exe34 on Friday March 29, 2024 @01:25PM (#39866666)
It was bsd licensed. The code that you received before is still covered by the bsd license. You can pretty much do anything you want with that code except misrepresent yourself as the author.

Public domain isn't the only form of free software. You can literally use it in exactly the same way as you did before. Nothing has been taken away from you.

Does this address your concern?

Re:The race to replace Redis by vasco on Friday March 29, 2024 @05:28AM (#39862104)
I agree, I didn't make any argument against that, I just don't see the difference between <party with money that bought a name and sells the free work of others> and <party with money that didn't buy a name and sells the free work of others>. My only argument here is that there's not much difference between AWS and Garantia Data from my limited understanding of the situation.
Re:The race to replace Redis by mattmanser on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:36AM (#39861826)
Often, as that's what rentiers are. Generally bad for society. And have captured many regulatory processes and got tons of tax breaks for producing nothing.

One of the well known flaws of capitalism, in the 'bad, but everything else is worse' sense.

Re:The race to replace Redis by ufocia on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:45AM (#39862878)
Not that capitalism is the perfect economic scheme, but rentiers exist in many economic regimes. Communism probably has more rentiers than capitalism, i.e. many people take more than they contribute.
Re:The race to replace Redis by gkbrk on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:20AM (#39861745)
It is if the thing they bought had contributions from many other people but pretty much all of them got nothing for it.
Re:The race to replace Redis by ufocia on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:42AM (#39862863)
We don't know what they got. Perhaps some of them were paid to create the contributions. And, in any case, that's OK. The contributors knew or should have known the impact of the license. They could've picked a more restrictive/free license, depending on your point of view. I guess they can still revoke the license. They have not given up their copyrights and the license is arguably not irrevocable.
Re:The race to replace Redis by exe34 on Friday March 29, 2024 @01:27PM (#39866687)
I'm sure their lawyers will be looking into it, you probably don't need to be concerned!