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Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by Aeolun on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:33AM (#39743434)
I don’t think this is strictly accurate. There’s nothing about cookies themselves that makes them a problem. It’s the way they are used. Needing to inform people you are using cookies for sessions is like needing to inform people you are using a fork to eat. The problem is that some people are using the fork to stab people, so now we require everyone to say how they’re going to use it in advance. Instead of just prohibiting stabbing people.
Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by nine_k on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:50AM (#39743640)
A few places allow you to opt for a spoon instead, or drink right from the bowl without utensils. Note that it's not the customers who use the forks for stabbing; it's the restaurants themselves. To show their goodwill to a customer who does not trust them with a fork, they can offer a spoon.

The further we take this analogy, the more strained it becomes.

Yes, it's natural to use a cookie to track a session; this is a mechanism invented for that purpose. It's much less natural to share this tracking information with third parties, especially along with a record of your purchases or other interesting actions.

But ad revenue is much harder to obtain without targeting and thus tracking. And a lot of places depend mostly on ad revenue.

This is another case of "buy now, pay later" pattern, stretched to "take for free now, pay in loss of your privacy later". In a funny enough way, many people don't value the information they get on many ad-supported sites as highly as the marketers paying to grab their attention, so simply compensating by adding a subscription or one-time payment to go ad-free sometimes does not even work; the more generic / "doom-scrollalbe" the content is, the worse it works.

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by bazoom42 on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:40AM (#39743527)
You don’t need to inform people you are using cookies.

It is not about cookies.

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by vaylian on Monday March 18, 2024 @09:03AM (#39743844)
As long as those cookies are only used for making the core functionality of the website work (i.e. login sessions, user preferences)
Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by nickpp on Monday March 18, 2024 @02:24PM (#39748007)
> You don’t need to inform people you are using cookies.

Are you a lawyer? Are you willing to assume the liability I may incur if I follow your advice?

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by pas on Monday March 18, 2024 @06:29PM (#39750838)
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Cookies that do not require consent [...] or authentication cookies (when users authenticate themselves on your web site to log in in order to check online services such as their bank account).

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https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/dealing-with-customers...

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by nickpp on Monday March 18, 2024 @07:09PM (#39751145)
Again: are you a lawyer?! If not, in what quality are you advising businesses how to implement such a dangerous law? Have you seen the magnitude of the potential punishment? Will you cover my fines if you're wrong?
Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by bazoom42 on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @02:55AM (#39753502)
Note that putting a “we use cookies” banner on your website will not absolve you from GDPR fines anyway. You still need to adher to the law about informend consent, storing safely etc.

If you are worried about GDPR, by far the safest is to just not collect personal information.

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by nickpp on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @06:48AM (#39754462)
You are correct: implementing GDPR correctly is much, much harder and more expensive than people realise. Cookie banners are just the tip of the iceberg.

A few things not allowed under GDPR:

1. Analytics

2. Third-party resources like fonts or JS libraries

3. CDNs

4. DDOS protection services

And I am sure I am missing many more. I am not a lawyer, but I worked with a few.

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by pas on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @08:16AM (#39765408)
Okay, so either you know what you are talking about it or not. If not stop spreading nonsense, if yes, then why are you lying?
Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by nickpp on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @08:36AM (#39765568)
Do you have an actual argument or are you here just to call others liars?
Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by bazoom42 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @10:48AM (#39767385)
Of course you can use third-party resources like fonts or JS libraries.

What you can’t do is trick the client to download something from a third-party source which then spy on the customer.

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by proto-n on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:43AM (#39743568)
See for example GitHub's statement [1] about no longer displaying a cookie banner. While ironically the blog still does display them, the main site doesn't.

[1] https://github.blog/2020-12-17-no-cookie-for-you/

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by nolok on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:35AM (#39743455)
You don't need a cookie banner for session cookie, not in eprivacy nor in gdpr, same applies for all cookies that are "strictly necessary" for the functionnal operation of the website on the technical level. Language selection cookie, "remember me" cookie, etc ... Are all perfectly fine.
Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by greggsy on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:48AM (#39743622)
I’ve often wondered if necessary cookies could just be carved out and designed (and named) differently to improve handling. You could then just configure your browser to inherently accept the benign <biscuits/bikkies> from a site, which would then only ask for non-essential ones.

The real nirvana, IMO, would be better sandboxing between sites.

Re:Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law by nolok on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:55AM (#39743710)
Browser based solution not mandated by law but made by the industry wouldn't work, because all 4 major browser vendor makes significant revenues from Ads.

At a time a solution appeared with "do not track", and we ended up with the industry making sure it was as toothless as possible, opt-in, and google pushing hard to control the browser market.