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Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by dylan604 on Thursday March 14, 2024 @06:43PM (#39709826)
Quality ain't cheap, and cheap ain't quality.

In furniture, you definitely get what you pay for...or not. I've found anything <$300 is going to be nothing but fake materials like manufactured woods (if not even just veneer covered cardboard) and horrible cushion/fabric.

Anything decent doesn't really start until ~$1k, and anything in the $3k range you mentioned starts to become heirloom quality. As with anything, these are YMMV, but serves as a fast basis for my experience

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by ajsnigrutin on Thursday March 14, 2024 @08:25PM (#39710685)
> Quality ain't cheap, and cheap ain't quality.

The problem here is, that expensive doesn't mean quality.

Buying a cheap ikea piece and replacing it in a few years might still be a better choice than overpaying for an expensive piece, that's the same quality as ikea, but with a different tag on it (both 'brand tag' and 'price tag').

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by Gigachad on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:00PM (#39710979)
The ikea stuff also seems to be perfectly fine. Almost my entire apartment I ikea stuff and I’m yet to have anything fail. With some of the oldest bits being the Malm draws which are about 15 years old now and still perfectly fine.

Sure, if you move them around a lot or leave them in the sun they will degrade, but just using them as normal they seem to last way longer than you’d think.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by doubled112 on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:29PM (#39711155)
All my Ikea stuff has been perfectly fine as well.

A photo fell off the wall and put a rather large hole in a Lack coffee table one time. We were pretty amazed that the photo frame won. It was a $25 table. I could buy many for the price of something nice.

Having small kids around, and seeing how they play, learn to use a fork, etc, I feel like we made the right choice buying cheaper. Plus what kid doesn't want to play at the table mom and dad let them sticker bomb?

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by zeroonetwothree on Friday March 15, 2024 @12:58AM (#39712200)
I still have the Lack end table I bought for $7 20 years ago.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by doubled112 on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:24AM (#39712305)
At some point between then and now they changed how they made them. They have more empty space inside now.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by throwaway2037 on Friday March 15, 2024 @03:07AM (#39712803)
I have seen people using these on YouTube as a server rack substitute. They are still frighteningly cheap after 20 years.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by ascagnel_ on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:59PM (#39711328)
IKEA is highly variable. I’m writing this while sitting on a leather loveseat that’s more than a decade old and holding up great. I also have a chest of drawers that, despite my best efforts during construction, immediately began to sag.

Their expensive furniture is good mid-range stuff, the cheap stuff is cheap.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by OJFord on Thursday March 14, 2024 @10:21PM (#39711436)
Yeah the cheap stuff is on par with up to 10x cheaper stuff on Amazon (you just have to deal with drop shipped branding and dodgy/no instructions), the more expensive stuff has better quality competitors IMO.

Such as Dwell.co.uk, coincidentally, completely unrelated afaict to OP. They make veneer-grade non-flat-pack furniture (and upholstered stuff) at a mid-high Ikea price. Made similar I think, or any number (including local showrooms) of suppliers of either drop shipped or wholesale manufactured oak+paint-grade, it seems quite common/popular. I have a couple of items from cotswoldco.com for example that have absolutely matching (but differently named) pieces available from an unrelated local independent shop, that I might otherwise assume had a small manufacturing operation too.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by pbowyer on Friday March 15, 2024 @03:23AM (#39712909)
Dwell.co.uk is sadly now part of DFS, so whether the quality and range continues...
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by OJFord on Friday March 15, 2024 @02:52PM (#39719345)
I realise it's unclear because of the position in the sentence & my lazy phrasing, and doesn't read well, but that was capital-M Made, made.com. As in 'Similar to Made I think, [...]'. (Can't edit it now.)
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by VHRanger on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:36PM (#39711203)
The problem with Ikea is once you have to move them around. Or if you have kids/dogs jumping up and down the sofa, etc.

The particleboard connections aren't very sturdy.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by ajsnigrutin on Thursday March 14, 2024 @10:15PM (#39711410)
Well sure, but in many cases, you can go to a "proper" furniture store, buy a piece that is a couple of times more expensive than the one from ikea, and get the same particle board and same shitty connections... especially with stuff where the wood is hidden (eg. sofas).

Also the assembly for ikea stuff is usually perfect.. everything aligns to the last millimeter... which again, I can't say for much more expensive furniture pieces.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by VHRanger on Thursday March 14, 2024 @10:40PM (#39711530)
Agreed, there's a big gap between Ikea and the next step up.

And most people can't differentiate between quality (nor should we expect them to!).

"Proper" furniture stores you find in malls and outlets are generally high margin crap. There's lots of soft scams out there.

There's a reason many people go back towards antiques and similar.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by throwaway2037 on Friday March 15, 2024 @03:29AM (#39712946)
I feel like beds are in the same category. There is a sea of choice, but very hard to distinguish which is actually higher quality... or if the price difference has tangible benefits (better sleep, etc.).
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by giantrobot on Thursday March 14, 2024 @10:55PM (#39711605)
IKEA stuff is also relatively easy to "harden" with some extra strategically placed metal brackets from Home Depot. For instance you can make a particle board bookshelf very sturdy by screwing some L-brackets on the back corners. Corner braces screwed under the shelves will likewise keep them from bowing under the weight of books.

It's a few extra dollars and will make the pieces survive a move and just generally feel sturdier. It's not a replacement for "good" furniture but will make the cheap stuff much better.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by throwaway14356 on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:51AM (#39712430)
yeah, add lots of glue and metal L profiles or some nice decorative wood. Good glue alone makes a better attachment than the screws and nails but you do have to glue it before it gets wobbly
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by ornornor on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:24AM (#39712304)
> the assembly for ikea stuff is usually perfect.. everything aligns to the last millimeter...

What? How?

I’ve moved a lot in the last 15 years and always defaulting to ikea for convenience. “Fits together well” isn’t what I’d use to describe their furniture.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by gruez on Friday March 15, 2024 @02:48AM (#39712701)
>Also the assembly for ikea stuff is usually perfect.. everything aligns to the last millimeter... which again, I can't say for much more expensive furniture pieces.

Probably because the ikea stuff you bought tend to be particleboard and the "expensive furniture pieces" are solid wood. Solid wood tend to wrap/deform more due to moisture than solid wood, which means even if they're drilled with millimeter precision at the factory they end up not aligning when it reaches your house. From personal experience the solid wood furniture I got ikea were definitely not aligned "to the last millimeter".

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by Hamuko on Friday March 15, 2024 @05:05AM (#39713531)
When I was shopping for a TV console, I went to a "proper" furniture shop and checked out console in the 150 to 200 euro range. Zero consideration for cable management and doors slammed hard when you closed them. Then I went to IKEA and bought a BESTÅ system that totalled like 130€ or something. Soft-closing doors, cable management holes and the lot. Was very happy with my BESTÅ after seeing what other stores had in a similar price range.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by graemep on Friday March 15, 2024 @05:42AM (#39713736)
This is part of the enshittification of everything.

Not long ago you could be a good brand an rely on it being good. Now most of them are just charging for the brand and not providing higher quality.

I am in the UK, I have also inherited Sri Lankan furniture from my parents and grandparents and I have lived there as well. The decline in quality is the same in both those countries. I guess it is global.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by AuryGlenz on Friday March 15, 2024 @11:38AM (#39716939)
Yeah, that's the real problem. My wife bought a bunch of furniture a couple of years ago that was billed online as "solid wood." It definitely isn't. We ended up getting one piece for free because the one they originally sent and then the replacement were damaged. I pushed her to get a refund on it all but I think she had spent so much time looking for good stuff that she was just tired of it.

It wasn't cheap. I believe the coffee table was close to $1,000.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by resolutebat on Thursday March 14, 2024 @06:54PM (#39709937)
Unfortunately the premise of the article is that you can now easily drop $1k+ on a sofa that looks good on Instagram, but is constructed of particleboard and falls apart when you look at it sideways.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by bombcar on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:03PM (#39710019)
You can drop way more than $1k and be stuck with something that's really kind of crappy.

You have to know enough to know who is actually building the good stuff, and who is building good-looking marketing.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by dylan604 on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:13PM (#39710115)
I have bought things online and been burned by the not know the who part. I'm now to the point that if it is anything I will be spending a lot of time on, I'm not buying it unless I can see it in person. One vendor's medium firmness might be another's firm. Other furniture is less critical to me, so I haven't put the in-person only rule for that stuff
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by al_borland on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:30PM (#39710254)
In-person seems like it should be a hard requirement for anything a person will sit on. There is no way to tell anything just by looking at a picture.

The sofa I got had one in-store that was cut in half at all levels, so the construction and materials could all be seen. Any company doing that is probably going to be pretty solid, and if not, it should be obvious.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by dylan604 on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:39PM (#39710330)
> In-person seems like it should be a hard requirement

should but yet online sales of furniture is not a small market

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by ghaff on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:55PM (#39710472)
A lot of people these days are into the mode of order online. Certainly there are a ton of podcasts that offer deals on some of the online furniture companies. I don't think I'd personally do it but then my parents probably wouldn't have ordered a lot of stuff online that I do. (But furniture and big electronics appliances are arguably much more of a hassle to return than other things.)
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by bombcar on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:45PM (#39711262)
I’m actually much happier ordering appliances online vs furniture- because appliances I can evaluate in multiple ways that don’t need me to sit on it.

Unfortunately some very comfortable furniture turns out to not be long lasting, as I discovered, even when moderately pricey. Steel frame sofas can bend and break under repeated use because the steel is so thin - if you can bend it by hand, it will fail eventually.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by ghaff on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:51PM (#39711298)
Well, yeah, appliances. Even if I order one at my local Lowe's, as I just did, it's not like I'm going to run a bunch of controlled dishwashing tests with it.

Durability of furniture is harder to measure even if you try it out.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by dylan604 on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:08PM (#39710068)
YMMV also includes adjusting for today's $. My $300 is today's $1k. So it still stands
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by bradleyjg on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:34PM (#39710284)
Did you last buy a couch in 1982?
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by dylan604 on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:37PM (#39710320)
Me? I haven't bought a couch. I'm on the same couch I grew up on at my parent's house that was bought circa 1978, so essentially, yes. Solid wood frame. Re-stuffed cushions. My couch can be found in those "If you recognize this, you're old" memes. AKA, I'm old

Edit: re-reading almost reads if I'm still at my parent's house couch surfing. I'm not a zillenial. I'm in my place with that furniture from back then.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by bradleyjg on Thursday March 14, 2024 @08:03PM (#39710530)
I ask because $300 -> $1000 is roughly 1982 to today.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by oarsinsync on Friday March 15, 2024 @02:24AM (#39712578)
I bought a leather sofa in 2012 that was priced at £389. Today (2024) it’s priced at £899. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by m000 on Friday March 15, 2024 @06:24AM (#39713985)
And it's not only sofas. People still conflate price with quality, and this is massively exploited.

You can see that from the number of "small brand" insta-entrepreneurs. People will readily shell $80 for the latest trendy item they saw in a sponsored insta-ad, believing they're buying a branded product. In reality, it's the same $20-$30 item sold on TEMU, with a brand name slapped on it.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by TylerE on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:17AM (#39712279)
The entire problem is that “decently expensive, good quality, but luxury/fashion” largely doesn’t exist any more.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by nijave on Friday March 15, 2024 @12:24PM (#39717500)
In the U.S. you can drop ~$5k on a Williams Sonoma et al sectional and get a cheaply made piece of junk. I've been happy with Maiden Home for around the same price. Wirecutter (now NY Times) has a couple good couch-buying articles.