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Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by Dwedit on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @06:46PM (#39698503)
Is this like the Chinese version of Mark Twain's spelling reform?

"For example, in Year 1 that useless letter c would be dropped to be replased either by k or s, and likewise x would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which c would be retained would be the ch formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform w spelling, so that which and one would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish y replasing it with i and Iear 4 might fiks the g/j anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez c, y and x — bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez — tu riplais ch, sh, and th rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld."

- Mark Twain

Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by satiric on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @08:21PM (#39699194)
Worth mentioning that a spelling reform like Twain's would mean that every accent would need to be spelled differently, or the sounds wouldn't match for most speakers. It's quite possible that some British dialects would be very hard to read for some Americans and vice versa, even if they were used to the system for their own dialect.

For instance, Twain spells "after" like "aafte", but in my accent I would probably spell it "afdr".

Twain has also run in to the problem that spoken English has far more vowels then written English does. He uses "ai" in both "minds"/"maindz" and "replace"/"riplais", but presumably they represent different sounds.

Presumably OP's system has the same problems with the dialects of Chinese, now that I think about it. Although I know very little about Chinese unfortunately (only what I know now from a few seconds of googling).

Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by livueta on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @10:36PM (#39700064)
An amusing example of this is the character Bascule in Banks' Feersum Endjinn, who narrates like so:

> Woak up. Got dresd. Had brekfast. Spoke wif Egrates the ant who sed itz juss been wurk wurk wurk 4 u lately master Bascule, Y dont u 1/2 a holiday? & I agreed & that woz how we decided we otter go 2 c Mr Zoliparia in thi I-ball ov thi gargoyle Rosbrith.

I personally enjoyed it and never had much trouble figuring it out, but know people who found it unpleasant and incomprehensible.

Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by Hasnep on Thursday March 14, 2024 @03:15AM (#39701283)
My Chinese knowledge is limited, but I believe that words in Chinese would not be affected by accent in the same way. This is because even though, for example, in the Taiwanese accent sh is pronounced like s, "shi" and "si" are still "spelt" differently and consistently when using a phonetic writing system like pinyin or zhuyin. There are still individual words that are pronounced differently in different regions, but that's not related to accent.
Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by zeckalpha on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @08:14PM (#39699145)
Not too far off from IPA
Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by a1o on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @07:04PM (#39698645)
Had a good laugh reading this as it transformed along, that's great and could make interesting storytelling that would show the passing of time through a changing writing.
Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by __s on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @09:22PM (#39699644)
You may like the novel Ella Minnow Pea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Minnow_Pea

Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by TheRealPomax on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @07:21PM (#39698754)
Year 15 seems particularly grating: English had letters for ch, th, and sh. Should have just started using those again. The kicker being that the single consonant for "ch" was <drumroll> just c.
Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by Dalewyn on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @07:00PM (#39698614)
You jest, but Simplified Chinese came into existence because Traditional Chinese is (and derivatives like Japanese Kanji are) generally regarded as too complicated.

Of course, the degree to which the complexity is disdained varies depending on who you ask: Japanese saw fit to reuse mostly as-is, Hangul chose to replace it wholesale, and so on. Simplfied Chinese is somewhere in-between, not replacing wholesale but simplifying characters often to the point of bastardization.

Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by nneonneo on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @07:06PM (#39698654)
Japanese do have shinjitai characters which are also simplified, but differently, although there are definitely fewer such characters than in Simplified Chinese.

My favorite is the simplification of 龍 (dragon) - in Simplified Chinese, they took the right hand side and derived 龙; in Japanese Shinjitai, they took the left hand side and obtained 竜.

Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by karmasimida on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @07:35PM (#39698875)
Chinese speakers would probably think it is 龟 instead loll
Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by SuperNinKenDo on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @08:06PM (#39699095)
I learned Japanese first, and 龟 still regularly trips me up when reading simplified characters.
Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by throwaway2990 on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @07:26PM (#39698797)
It wasn’t too complicated. 95% of the country couldn’t read it write. And printing was impossible.
Re:Linux TTY font for Chinese, but treat it as a syllabic wr... by yorwba on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:51AM (#39701966)
You may want to read up on the history of printing in East Asia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_printing_in_East_As...