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Re: by henry2023 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @03:58PM (#39621351)
Well maybe people believe that Genocide = Bad and the rest is just logic
Re: by hersko on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:12PM (#39621529)
Genocide:The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

Explain how the country that does roof-knocks[1], phone calls[2], and has literally driven its own people out of Gaza[3] in an attempt for peace is attempting to exterminate Palestinians. Learn what words mean before using them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/world/middleeast/gaza-inv... [3] https://www.britannica.com/event/Israels-disengagement-from-...

Re: by henry2023 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:20PM (#39621642)
Thank you for the definition. Isn’t this precisely what’s happening in Gaza?

Even the ICJ ordered Israel to take steps to prevent any acts of genocide in Gaza. Do they also don’t know the definition of the word?

Re: by hersko on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:29PM (#39621766)
The court did not say that Israel is committing genocide. It didn't even require a ceasefire.

Do you not know what "preventing" or "committing" mean either?

Re: by henry2023 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:41PM (#39621946)
Why do you think it asked Israel to prevent acts of Genocide instead of asking both sides of preventing acts of Genocide?

Do you believe that if there’s no suspicion that acts of Genocide are being committed by the IDF the court could have emitted such ruling?

I’m not trying to fight in here. You don’t need to be condescending this is not reddit my friend.

Re: by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:09PM (#39622340)
> Why do you think it asked Israel to prevent acts of Genocide instead of asking both sides of preventing acts of Genocide?

Hamas explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel and Jews. Nobody has any doubts around what they would do if they had military supremacy.

The ICJ won’t order them to not commit acts of genocide because they aren’t the object of South Africa’s complaint. (I also don’t believe they fall under ICJ jurisdiction, being a non-state actor.)

Re: by hersko on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:12PM (#39622387)
I apologize for my tone, this is something i am passionate about.

Hamas has always been pretty open about their intent for genocide[1]. The ICJ had a specific case brought by a specific country on specific charges against Israel. The ICJ ruled against them.

Israel is in the middle of a bloody war in an urban environment filled with civilians. Of course Israel should follow the rules of war and try to limit civilian casualties, which is what the preventing acts of genocide was about.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/ha...

Re: by jiggawatts on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:31PM (#39621790)
You’re being unfairly downvoted. The word genocide has been overused in this conflict. Genocide means an intent to erase a people, which is a hard point to argue when Gaza’s population has doubled in the last two decades under this supposed “erasure”.
Re: by ivan_gammel on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:41PM (#39621951)
Regardless of definition of genocide, how population growth in Gaza in the past is related to systematic murdering of civilians we observe now?
Re: by hersko on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:01PM (#39622231)
> systematic murdering of civilians

If Israel wanted to systematically murder civilians there would be a lot more dead.

What you are seeing is the result of a terrorist organization hiding among civilians (human shields) while waging a war dressed as civilians (a war crime).

Re: by ivan_gammel on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:34PM (#39622634)
Again faulty logic.

Their capability to kill more does not imply that they would use it or there could not be systematic murder if they don’t use the full firepower. What I see is not just Hamas hiding among civilians (this is true and this is a war crime), but also what you conveniently ignore: systematic disregard of human life by Israel and ignorance of the duty to protect innocent lives. Some token actions to show for the press (all those „phone calls“) do not qualify as such.

What Israel should have done but did not: evacuate the entire population of Gaza to its own territory, ensure protection of human rights, guarantee access to food, healthcare and education.

Re: by fngjdflmdflg on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @07:45PM (#39623735)
Does disregard of human life qualify as genocide? Did the US disregard the human lives of Japanese people in the Japanese war or the Vietnamese people in the Vietnam war and if so Were those acts genocide?
Re: by ivan_gammel on Thursday March 07, 2024 @02:11AM (#39626018)
I do not know and I do not care. Two comments above I explicitly said that.

Which legal term will be used to qualify Israel actions is less important than stopping this nightmare now and approaching the strategic goals differently.

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Re: by archagon on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:46PM (#39622043)
Why not, if “losing that war” means being slaughtered and starved indiscriminately and pushed out of your homeland?
Re: by gataca on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:40PM (#39622698)
Again, words have meanings even if you don't like them. There is nothing indiscriminate about Israel's actions, which somehow have not been able to match Hamas's one day total of slaughtered and raped civilians. War is awful and I hope that Hamas surrenders soon to end it.
Re: by archagon on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:42PM (#39622710)
"which somehow have not been able to match Hamas's one day total of slaughtered and raped civilians" — what do you mean by this? Over 1,000 civilians were killed by Hamas, whereas around 30,000 people (including many innocents) have been killed in Gaza — almost two orders of magnitude more. As you say, words have meanings.
Re: by gataca on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:48PM (#39622768)
Israel, which you claim is indiscriminately bombing civilians, has not been able to match Hamas in killing 1,200 civilians in a single day of this war despite dropping thousands of bombs.

You can use buzzwords to try and distort reality but this is clearly a highly targeted military campaign where Hamas is sacrificing it's own civilians as human shields. That sucks and Hamas should surrender, but Israel should do what it needs to defeat Hamas.

Re: by archagon on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:50PM (#39622782)
If Hamas refuses to surrender until the bitter end — which is likely given their extremism — then what should Israel do? If Gaza gets squeezed until 90% of the population is blown up or starved, would you care?
Re: by gataca on Thursday March 07, 2024 @08:27AM (#39628780)
This is why the world (and people like yourself) should pressure Egypt to take in civilian refugees.

Here's the thing - Israel is totally justified in utterly destroying Hamas and returning the hostages they hold. If Hamas wants to add their own civilians to the hostages they're holding, then the world should team up to destroy them, just like we did with ISIS, which like Hamas is a jihadist Islamic supremacist group. They don't get to rape and murder and then hide behind civilians to prevent people from stopping them from simply repeating this.

Re: by h3rsko on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:41PM (#39622704)
Israel left Gaza in 2005
Re: by henry2023 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:56PM (#39622166)
Yeah, I forgot Zionism started last October. Thanks for the reminder
Re: by gataca on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:42PM (#39622713)
You're correct, Jewish national self-determination started several thousand years ago and Israel is currently the most successful indigenous people's movement in the world.