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the US provides a lot of support and weapons to Turkey, which has committed one genocide in the past against Armenians and has been repressing the Kurds for decades. the US also provides weapons and support to Pakistan, which is an actual religious apartheid state and is involved in a messy conflict with India. China puts muslims in camps and these protestors happily use phones built in that country. none of these activist groups care about any of the conflicts mentioned above, which calls into question their true motivations.
We are arguing about the meaning of words, especially words thrown around as libels to try and delegitimize justified self defense.
I'm sorry if the facts don't agree with your desires for something to be true. War is terrible and civilians die in all wars, especially those in urban areas where one party tunnels underneath civilian infrastructure to protect themselves while leaving civilians exposed to fire.
Totally agree that Sudan, Ethiopia, and the Kurdish people aren't getting enough attention by the HN crowd. Why do you think that is?
this group has many non-jewish members and is used a fig-leaf by notorious antisemites to agitate for the genocide of the only minority state in the Middle East. it's like saying Clarence Thomas can't promote anti-black racism since he's black himself.
repeating lies doesn't make them any more true. starting a war, then losing badly, is just that, losing a war. Or maybe you think the US committed genocide against Germany in the 1940s too?
Israel gave civilians weeks to leave areas of fighting and warns them ahead of time before attacking. This is not ethnic cleansing no matter how many times you repeat the phrase.
Presence of civilians does not render an area illegal to attack. Using civilian cover to initiate attacks is a war crime, not wearing uniforms is also a war crime - both things Hamas does. Using civilian buildings for military purposes makes attacking those areas legal and within the rules of war. You don't get to change the definition of words or invent laws of war when convenient to attack Israel.
> There is a term for this: ethnic cleansing
Actually the term for this is: war
Hamas can surrender and release the hostages to end the war. Until then Israel is justified in pursuing their 'complete and utter destruction'
the person you're responding to also claims there is no 'credible evidence' of rape - they're a troll
Here you go:
"However, the sound preceding the explosion, the fireball that accompanied it, the size of the resulting crater, the type of splatter adjoining it, and the type and pattern of fragmentation visible around the crater are all consistent with the impact of a rocket.
Evidence available to Human Rights Watch makes the possibility of a large air-dropped bomb, such as those Israel has used extensively in Gaza, highly unlikely."
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17...
You are posting misinformation. Even Human Rights Watch, which obsessively focuses on Israel, has said it was a Palestinian rocket:
"However, the sound preceding the explosion, the fireball that accompanied it, the size of the resulting crater, the type of splatter adjoining it, and the type and pattern of fragmentation visible around the crater are all consistent with the impact of a rocket.
Evidence available to Human Rights Watch makes the possibility of a large air-dropped bomb, such as those Israel has used extensively in Gaza, highly unlikely." [0]
[0] https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17...
You will need to find something new to lie about
Even Human Rights Watch (anti-israel propaganda outlet at this point) has said it was a Palestinian rocket:
"However, the sound preceding the explosion, the fireball that accompanied it, the size of the resulting crater, the type of splatter adjoining it, and the type and pattern of fragmentation visible around the crater are all consistent with the impact of a rocket.
Evidence available to Human Rights Watch makes the possibility of a large air-dropped bomb, such as those Israel has used extensively in Gaza, highly unlikely."
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17...
Hamas is free to hand out uniforms to its soldiers to prevent civilians getting killed. They’re also free to build barracks instead of tunnels underneath schools to house their fighters. Until they do so civilians will continue to suffer.
> The Ministry has no verifiable history of being wrong on the civilian casualty numbers
This is laughable. They claimed that Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500 people that the Palestinians themselves bombed. You are either hopelessly biased and unserious or uninformed.
This is why the world (and people like yourself) should pressure Egypt to take in civilian refugees.
Here's the thing - Israel is totally justified in utterly destroying Hamas and returning the hostages they hold. If Hamas wants to add their own civilians to the hostages they're holding, then the world should team up to destroy them, just like we did with ISIS, which like Hamas is a jihadist Islamic supremacist group. They don't get to rape and murder and then hide behind civilians to prevent people from stopping them from simply repeating this.
Your denial of the confirmed accounts of rape is truly vile and in bad faith. Even the UN [0], which is dominated by autocratic government who condemn Israel non-stop has confirmed what was known in the days after the massacre. The fact is that until Hamas surrenders Israel is fully justified in continuing to fight. The people like you who deny the horrific and genocidal acts of Hamas that started this war, while simultaneously posting hysterically about fake Israel atrocities reveal yourselves to simply want Hamas to emerge victorious. Truly disgusting.
[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899
If Israel called it a jihad against Hamas progressives would support it
Setting aside the fact that these are numbers provided by Hamas, the same people who claimed 500 people died in a hospital Israel bombed but when it was revealed their own rocket bombed it the casualty numbers dropped 10-fold, war isn’t arithmetic.
The United States killed many more Japanese civilians than American civilians who died during the war, that doesn’t make them right. Hamas has miles of tunnels to provide cover for their rapists but doesn’t allow civilians to shelter, it’s tragic that Hamas is killing its own people this way but Israel should continue until Hamas is defeated like Germany was.
Israel, which you claim is indiscriminately bombing civilians, has not been able to match Hamas in killing 1,200 civilians in a single day of this war despite dropping thousands of bombs.
You can use buzzwords to try and distort reality but this is clearly a highly targeted military campaign where Hamas is sacrificing it's own civilians as human shields. That sucks and Hamas should surrender, but Israel should do what it needs to defeat Hamas.
You're correct, Jewish national self-determination started several thousand years ago and Israel is currently the most successful indigenous people's movement in the world.
Again, words have meanings even if you don't like them. There is nothing indiscriminate about Israel's actions, which somehow have not been able to match Hamas's one day total of slaughtered and raped civilians. War is awful and I hope that Hamas surrenders soon to end it.
many on this list have been shown to be hamas members, this is propaganda
Attempt at edgy take but only ends up justifying 'might makes right'
Trying to understand - are you saying there is a genocide ongoing in gaza?
Thought-terminating cliché detected
Between controlling all manned US space flights and all communications allowing Ukraine to fight against Russia, Musk has a lot of influence and gov't doesn't want to ruffle any boats.
> HN commenters who were incessantly bringing up the failed Western scientific and political order in a hundred threads about this
This especially was simultaneously comical and cringe-worthy
Yes! I remember your post here on HN about this project, super well done.
A better push would be to prevent the food industry from poisoning us with ultra-processed food and corn syrup. Having food regulation would go a long way in preventing obesity and many other negative health outcomes.