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Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by izacus on Monday March 04, 2024 @02:42PM (#39595004)
Oh come on, you're overexaggerating a bit. If you follow your pattern with Apple, you'll end up with a measly 8GB/256GB model which will only be useful for basic browsing.

(And with more and more Electron apps, might struggle even with that once you hop onto a video call.)

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by technothrasher on Monday March 04, 2024 @02:55PM (#39595181)
> you'll end up with a measly 8GB/256GB model which will only be useful for basic browsing.

I must be doing something wrong then. I've got one of those measly models and I do quite a bit more than just basic browsing without any problem. Video calls are the least of that, and they work fine.

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by AnthonyMouse on Monday March 04, 2024 @04:08PM (#39596120)
Video calls require trivial amounts of memory and no real storage at all. Video editing, on the other hand, would pretty quickly fill up a 256GB drive. If you want to play with the fun new AI stuff, 8GB of RAM isn't enough.

Modern machines also have a nefarious failure mode. It used to be that you needed more memory to cache the hard drive, but SSDs are pretty fast and that doesn't matter as much anymore. So now you have the opposite problem -- if you're out of memory and start swapping you don't notice as much, because SSDs are pretty fast. Except that now you're silently wearing out your SSD. Which in the Macs, is soldered.

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by sva_ on Monday March 04, 2024 @04:14PM (#39596205)
> I'll have you know, my 2023 $1300 laptop is capable of doing video calls

Weird flex

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by 015a on Monday March 04, 2024 @03:56PM (#39595964)
Anyone who says the 8/256 Airs are throwaway machines has literally never used one. Full stop. You have an opinion about what 8gb of memory is capable of, which is influenced entirely by Intel CPUs and Windows. It hits different on the M1 platform and MacOS.
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by lcmatt on Monday March 04, 2024 @03:00PM (#39595225)
I have the base level M2 Air and it’s anything but a basic browsing machine.

Runs everything I throw at it development wise, while a good few other things are open and it has never felt slow. Compare that to any Windows laptops with the same spec and it would be chugging along with just Chrome open.

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by Dah00n on Monday March 04, 2024 @05:52PM (#39597249)
>chugging along with just Chrome open

This is just FUD. Even my kids 2017 laptop doesn't "chug along with just Chrome open". It can run chrome and a game too just fine.

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by superb_dev on Monday March 04, 2024 @03:14PM (#39595409)
I do all of my development on a measly 8GB/500GB model. The only application that has performance problems for me VCVRack, and that’s only after I surpassed 900 modules
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by musicale on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @01:22AM (#39600033)
I bet it struggles if you open 800 browser tabs and 900 VCV rack modules.
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by threeseed on Monday March 04, 2024 @03:14PM (#39595410)
Video transcoding is done on the GPU and has nothing to do with memory/storage.

And there isn't a trend towards more Electron apps. Increasingly developers are using Tauri which is Rust based and extremely lightweight.

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by jshier on Monday March 04, 2024 @03:55PM (#39595951)
Is there a single popular Tauri app? What are the most popular?
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by threeseed on Monday March 04, 2024 @03:56PM (#39595971)
The point is that it's growing:

https://github.com/tauri-apps/awesome-tauri

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by vilunov on Monday March 04, 2024 @04:29PM (#39596390)
Tauri is not that much different from Electron honestly.
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by threeseed on Monday March 04, 2024 @05:35PM (#39597057)
That is simply not true. My Tauri app is 38MB: https://github.com/harana/search/releases

Electron Framework alone on macOS is 356MB.

And this is reflected in memory usage as well.

Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by rockdoe on Monday March 04, 2024 @06:53PM (#39597703)
The Tauri app just uses the system WKWebView. Memory usage can be misleading due to reporting, see e.g. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/5889
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by ciupicri on Monday March 04, 2024 @06:56PM (#39597724)
> There aren’t any releases here
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by rockdoe on Monday March 04, 2024 @06:45PM (#39597648)
Yeah not sure how it qualifies as lightweight...
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by Seanambers on Monday March 04, 2024 @02:50PM (#39595115)
"will only be useful for basic browsing" nah.
Re:Apple unveils the new 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with th... by sgarland on Monday March 04, 2024 @07:07PM (#39597793)
While they do swap more often than one with more RAM (obviously), at least with the M1s, the SSDs are stupidly fast, to the point that you barely notice it for day-to-day work. They nerfed the SSD on M2 base models; not sure about M3.

For the record, on my base M1 Air, I generally have Safari, Spotify, and Alacritty open at any given time. I can also run Docker Desktop if necessary, although I prefer colima since I don’t need any of the bloat.