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Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by carlosjobim on Monday March 04, 2024 @08:44AM (#39590371)
> Apple hasn't been just making competing harder, but outright impossible.

That's why Android marketshare is much larger than iOS marketshare and why Windows marketshare is much larger than MacOS marketshare.

After reading maybe 8000 posts complaining about Apple "monopoly" I just can't get my head around how hackers can earnestly believe such a thing.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by lukeschlather on Monday March 04, 2024 @09:49AM (#39591156)
This isn't about marketshare, it's about Apple making things impossible. You're a hacker, tell me how I can solve this problem:

I am with a friend in a place with no Internet access. They have an iPhone. I have an Android phone. We don't have any cables. My friend took a video and I would like them to send me the video right now over Wifi.

I think there are some ways I could solve it, but I don't think there are any ways I could solve it that would be reliable for nontechnical users (and even for me it's hard.) This isn't an accident, Apple is abusing their control over iOS to make this sort of thing impossible. And it's worse than anything Microsoft ever did. Apple is actively standing in my way, even though I don't own any iOS devices.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by meindnoch on Monday March 04, 2024 @11:04AM (#39591977)
You've been able to access SMB shares from the Files app just fine for years now. Linux supports SMB. Windows supports SMB. You're welcome.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by beeboobaa on Monday March 04, 2024 @02:28PM (#39594841)
So now I have to lug my synology file share around just in case I want to share a file with a friend, instead of just transmitting it wirelessly?
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by tambourine_man on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:14AM (#39591409)
> This isn't about marketshare, it's about Apple making things impossible.

Of course it is about marketshare. The more you have, the more you can make things hard for your competitors. The less you have, the more you're the weird one with the odd platform.

> I am with a friend in a place with no Internet access

That's a vanishingly rare situation not worthy of legislation, IMO.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by jonhohle on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:34AM (#39591644)
> And it's worse than anything Microsoft ever did

In 2003 I bought a PowerBook. It was the only commercially available laptop that could be bought without buying a Windows license. Microsoft had put any competitors out of business by that point and OEMs weren’t ready to sell Linux laptops. Apple only existed because Microsoft injected them with cash to show they had a competitor.

Get a USB drive.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by CharlesW on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:06AM (#39591332)
> You're a hacker, tell me how I can solve this problem:

Feem, but I'm interested to learn more about this contrived example where phones don't have internet access and so can't use SHAREit, Send Anywhere, or any number of other solutions.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by lukeschlather on Monday March 04, 2024 @01:41PM (#39594200)
Not a contrived example. happens to me often and iOS users are paralyzed when AirDrop doesn't work. (And like, it is possible but it's a lot harder than it should be.) People who transfer lots of media for work don't even bother, they just accept AirDrop as the only functional solution, which means you carry an iOS device.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by CharlesW on Monday March 04, 2024 @01:57PM (#39594420)
Gotcha. In addition to the off- and online apps above, it looks like web-based solutions like snapdrop.net work on Safari/iOS as well.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by evilduck on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:10AM (#39591373)
Without prior downloads happening before going offline I’m not sure you could share a file between mobile operating systems out of the box, regardless of which OS is trying to supply the file.

If I’m allowed to pre-download software before encountering your scenario, running a web server or an app that serves FTP or other server types hosting files is trivial on either OS. iOS may require shuffling the video file into an app sandbox first.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by carlosjobim on Monday March 04, 2024 @11:57AM (#39592662)
The answer is obvious, play the video on one phone and film the screen with the other.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by ahepp on Monday March 04, 2024 @02:42PM (#39594999)
It looks like Samsung and Google only merged their airdrop utilities in Summer 2023, so how would you have done this with two different android phones?
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by kayodelycaon on Monday March 04, 2024 @09:18AM (#39590789)
It makes a lot of sense to me.

I think a lot of people were less affected by Microsoft’s actions than by Apple’s. After all, Microsoft didn’t stop people from making money off their platform or modifying their computers.

And Microsoft was three decades ago.

Apple is causing people far more harm now than they remember Microsoft doing in the past. (Assuming they were around for it in the first place.)

Edit:

I should have said "a lot of the people talking" instead of just "a lot of people".

I was around for Microsoft and would classify them as evil. The worst you can say about Apple is they are greedy. For all of Apple's flaws, they are competing in the consumer market on merit.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by lolinder on Monday March 04, 2024 @09:32AM (#39590956)
If by "people" you mean "a vocal minority of app developers", then sure. But the average iOS user not only doesn't care about Apple's app store policies, they actively appreciate them (whether they know it or not).

All apps being required to use a single payment system is a great example: it sucks for the app developers but only for the app developers. From the consumer perspective, Apple's app store is the only place in the internet economy where they're not subject to pervasive dark patterns trying to get them to not cancel a subscription, not back out of a free trial, or otherwise separate them from their money. People pay good money for Apple phones in part because Apple successfully protects them from predatory anti-consumer behavior.

Contrast that with 90s Microsoft, where people bought Windows because that's mostly all that was available (because Microsoft made sure of that). Today there are more non-Apple phone choices than Apple choices, and yet a substantial number of people consistently choose Apple.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by havaloc on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:12AM (#39591394)
I'm both a developer, and a user.

As a user I love the ability to easily turn a subscription on and off, without having to call someone/chat with someone. Also, did you know that a requirement of the app store is you can delete your data from within the app? It's a great way to reduce your digital fingerprint.

As a developer, we rolled out in app subscriptions and our revenue essentially tripled. They handle refunds. That saves me a LOT of time.

Perfect? No, but I do as most pragmatists do: compromise and make the best of it.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by Hikikomori on Monday March 04, 2024 @12:25PM (#39593066)
In Europe we can do that without Appstore.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by nonrandomstring on Monday March 04, 2024 @11:18AM (#39592119)
> doesn't care about Apple's app store policies, they actively appreciate them (whether they know it or not).

Don't think anyone actually noticed this fly past yesterday [0] but as I commented here [1] Apple have set out their position clearly as patrician and protective (under the dishonest guise of "security").

This is right for some people.

There is a place for the digitally bewildered, like a kind of care home for those who've basically given up on trying to make sense of their place in the digital world, given up all agency, and essentially conceded control of their lives. Ironically the polar opposite of Apple's 1984 Superbowl advert [2].

But we really ought to tell them they're being put out to pasture.

[0] https://developer.apple.com/security/complying-with-the-dma....

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=39580678

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_(advertisement)

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by jonhohle on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:53AM (#39591850)
> After all, Microsoft didn’t stop people from making money off their platform or modifying their computers.

That is literally what they did.

Be built a business, lined up customers, and had every one of them fail because of exclusivity agreements with Microsoft. Unless you were a vertically integrated software/hardware business you couldn’t get your OS on PCs because of Microsoft.

It might seem quaint now, but there was a market for web browsers! They weren’t free until Microsoft duped Mosaic into giving them a license for a percentage of sales and then gave it away for free as Internet Explorer, instantly destroying any market for selling web browsers. That’s not only preventing others from making money on their platform, but anyone from making money in that entire segment.

Literally the entire world was affected by Microsoft’s business practices as the PC industry was booming.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by nemothekid on Monday March 04, 2024 @09:51AM (#39591182)
>After all, Microsoft didn’t stop people from making money off their platform or modifying their computers

This is incredible whitewashing of Microsoft. Microsoft didn’t stop people from modifying their computers? Part of the anti trust case was Microsoft ending licenses with OEMs if they dared to sell a PC with Linux installed.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by kayodelycaon on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:53AM (#39591851)
I was referring to after purchase. Wasn't it still possible to install Linux on computers that came with Windows?

Granted, drivers were a massive issue.

And if anything, this only furthers the point that Apple isn't anything close to what Microsoft was doing.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by orwin on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @05:24AM (#39601554)
I think they fiddled with the bootloader of some pc vendors in the mid-90s,but we're quickly told to stop that. It might have destroyed a competitor though.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by cpuguy83 on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:00AM (#39591272)
Think in terms of market power, not share.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by Chris2048 on Monday March 04, 2024 @09:34AM (#39590991)
Implicit to that statement is "on apple machines".

Android market share is on non-macs, an non-iphones.