Re:Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to tra...
by robin_reala on Friday March 01, 2024 @01:43AM
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I’ve read this three times now and I still don’t understand. Can you explain it in a different way?
Re:Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to tra...
by 65a on Friday March 01, 2024 @01:47AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-anonymity Basically keeping only chunks of text which have are not unique and contributed by many users.
Re:Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to tra...
by bastawhiz on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:14AM
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> Given person-specific field-structured data
That's not what this data is and that's broadly not what LLMs are trained on.
Re:Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to tra...
by 65a on Friday March 01, 2024 @02:16PM
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By chunking and binning the data by user contribution count, you are structuring it as described. Pretraining is often accomplished on similar chunked text. k-anonymity is not perfect though, or state of the art, the wikipedia explains several known attacks.
Re:Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to tra...
by tdudhhu on Friday March 01, 2024 @01:54AM
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This is exactly what the parent is saying: there is no way to do this reliably.
So repeat after me...
Re:Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to tra...
by pas on Friday March 01, 2024 @04:56AM
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it's still leaking information. let's say there are 5-6 companies that all work in the mystical cloud-painting sector, you lump them together and publish data about the sector. before there was nothing available now there's an average.
and obviously partial information is very useful for exactly those with some other partial information.
this is why OSINT is very effective. it's possible to piece together enough constraints on these datasets that in the end the likelihood of a successful deanonymization is unexpectedly high.
Re:Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to tra...
by bastawhiz on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:13AM
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> Simply classify data into buckets for each value of each variable such that each unique combination of buckets for every variable contains at least N items for a suitably large number of N.
What are the variables and what is the value of N when you're talking about "freeform text contracts containing PII"?
Re:Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to tra...
by BobaFloutist on Friday March 01, 2024 @01:29PM
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What if I've been the plaintiff for thousands of labor disputes, and my name and SSN appears in legal documents thousands of times? Couldn't that potentially expose my name and SSN both 5213 times, demonstrating them to be related?
I know this is a bit of an absurd example, but I'm trying to understand the mechanics more than to provide a realistic counterexample.
Simply classify data into buckets for each value of each variable such that each unique combination of buckets for every variable contains at least N items for a suitably large number of N. It is then mathematically impossible to match an individual data point to any set of original data points less than N.