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Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by darkteflon on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @06:21PM (#39531596)
Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth.

Edit: Awesome - great to know!

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by xyzzy_plugh on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @06:26PM (#39531656)
You do not need a Switch at all, unless you're trying to somehow skirt the legality issues.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by WithinReason on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @06:39PM (#39531791)
Yes, if you want to do it legally.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by 3abiton on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @08:50PM (#39532908)
Nintendo made it clear that this is also "illegal". You have to opt for the worse experience (using the switch) otherwise you're the bad guy ...
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by sharpneli on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @03:03AM (#39535280)
Depends on the place. This sort of interoperability is explicitly allowed in the EU.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by cqqxo4zV46cp on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @04:04AM (#39535666)
Per whose interpretation of the law? The DMA isn’t going to give nerds the utopia they think that they’re going to get.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by tssge on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:05AM (#39536034)
Note: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

In the EU, reverse engineering is allowed by law if the reason for doing so is interoperability by the one who owns a license to the product in question.

"The authorisation of the rightholder shall not be required where reproduction of the code and translation of its form within the meaning of points (a) and (b) of Article 4(1) are indispensable to obtain the information necessary to achieve the interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, provided that the following conditions are met:

(a) those acts are performed by the licensee or by another person having a right to use a copy of a program, or on their behalf by a person authorised to do so;

(b) the information necessary to achieve interoperability has not previously been readily available to the persons referred to in point (a); and

(c) those acts are confined to the parts of the original program which are necessary in order to achieve interoperability."

More information: https://www.vidstromlabs.com/blog/the-legal-boundaries-of-re...

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by KingOfCoders on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @03:26AM (#39535437)
Luckily Nintendo (Shadowrun is still some years away, when Ninsonmicro determines what is legal and what isn't) is not the authority to determine if something is illegal or not. But of course they are entitled to their own opinion.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by coffeebeqn on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @08:56PM (#39532953)
As a owner of previous modded Nintendo consoles - they certainly don’t share your view
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by kristofferR on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @09:16PM (#39533098)
Yeah, you might as well pirate it, that's just as bad in their view.

Same with ripping DVDs/Blu-rays, it's illegal to rip them anyway, so might as well just download them.

Especially now that they're suing emulator developers, it's almost unethical to buy Switch games anymore.

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by loup-vaillant on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @04:25AM (#39535774)
Here in France, as far as I know I have a right to private copy, which I pay for through a specific tax whenever I buy storage. I can rip my DVDs, Blu-rays, or even Nintendo Switch cartridges or hard drive, perfectly legally, even if it means cracking open the thing and circumvent stuff. It's awfully less convenient than downloading the stuff, but it is legal. Or at least it was 20 years ago, but I'm not aware of any change on that front.

Now there should be some ground rule. When you buy something, it's supposed to be yours, and you should be allowed to do what you want with it, especially studying it and sharing the results of your study. Any rule that allows some big corporation to retain power over something that's supposed to be yours is serious overreach and should be shut down.

Now Nintendo does have a big problem here: without the exclusivity of their form factor (which is arguably difficult to improve upon[1]), all they have left is the exclusivity of their game library.

[1]: https://loup-vaillant.fr/articles/ideal-computer

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by gambiting on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:05AM (#39536032)
Same in Poland. Fully legal to make any copies of any stuff you own, even if it involves bypassing their encryption or whatever. 100% legal.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by actionfromafar on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:23AM (#39536169)
In Sweden it was like that, but after some prodding and patting by "market forces" on the politicians it's no longer legal, but the tax is still there.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by guappa on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @06:11AM (#39536486)
> Here in France, as far as I know I have a right to private copy

Wrong :)

You have a right to a private copy, but you don't have a right to circumvent copy protections to get that private copy.

So ripping a DVD is still illegal, despite the tax.

We're getting screwed :)

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by loup-vaillant on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @06:19AM (#39536534)
> […] but you don't have a right to circumvent copy protections to get that private copy.

Since when? Do you remember which law? I don't recall anything like the DMCA being ported to French law.

> So ripping a DVD is still illegal, despite the tax.

I'm pretty sure it used to be legal.

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by guappa on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @07:08AM (#39536843)
> I'm pretty sure it used to be legal.

Only if it doesn't have the CSS thing, which most commercial ones have.

Even though it's a silly protection, it still counts as a "protection" legally.

It's like that in Italy so I suppose it's the same in france https://www.gianluigibonanomi.com/diritto-copiare/

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by loup-vaillant on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @08:43AM (#39537780)
Ah, found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DADVSI

TL;DR: it's more complicated than I thought. First, the law was introduced in 2006, so before it, circumventing DRM and publishing how to do it was not a crime. (Of course, publishing copyrighted works with no proper authorisation was already a crime, regardless of DRM.)

Then for a brief time, circumventing DRM was outlawed. But fear of foreign monopolies (most notably Microsoft) and free software lobbying eventually had those articles amended, effectively exempting research and free software from any sanction. The exact limits of the current law are still fuzzy, but it seems pretty clear that using VLC to make copy of a DVD I own is 100% legal in France.

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by guappa on Thursday February 29, 2024 @02:43PM (#39554037)
Ah that's cool.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by sudosysgen on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @06:27PM (#39531664)
You can find the keys online.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by nicolas_17 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @06:39PM (#39531796)
And that is the illegal part, rather than the development of the emulator...
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by tonmoy on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @07:34PM (#39532330)
Clearly not according to Nintendo
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by johnnyanmac on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @08:51PM (#39532926)
The moment they find a BIOS source they'll be taken out too. But the internet is a game of cat and mouse.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by Natsu on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @09:55PM (#39533378)
So it's like the 09F9 1102 thing all over again?

I think I still have most of the key memorized from back then.

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by 14 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:41PM (#39534091)
Are they really rare? I have an older switch that is easily hackable and can’t be blocked due to it being a hardware vulnerability but I have never bothered to hack it as I just don’t know if it is worth it. Not sure if you can continue to play online once hacked and I assume once hacked play pirated games as why else hack it. But I haven’t pirated games in a long time I wonder if it is worth it. What the switch really needs is a messaging app maybe hacked switches can do that idk.
Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by cassianoleal on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @07:02AM (#39536795)
> why else hack it

So you can dump the cartridges and digital games you own, and the keys to run them.

Re:Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu by pierat on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:44PM (#39534108)