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Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by lobochrome on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:42AM (#39479427)
Our IT did the exact same thing with expiring m365 passwords. They weren’t using the corp domain, typos all over and the URL was obscured using a bizarre link shortener.

The same guys also force us to change our passwords every 6 months and block the last twenty. Passwords we have to enter in systems that can’t pull directly from password managers and thus have to type 10-20 per day. Guess the average strength of an employee password!

I think IT incompetence should lead to audit fails or even better delisting from exchanges.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by gnfargbl on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:27AM (#39480302)
The lack of use of a non-corp domain, the typos and the use of shortened links does sound like a form of incompetence, probably at the management layer.

However, the password rotation requirement was until relatively recently something that many IT auditors would actually recommend, even though it leads directly to bad user password choices. In fact I wouldn't be at surprised to learn that was still the case in a lot of places.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bluGill on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:34AM (#39480370)
Fortunately NIST has specific advice that recommends against that which is admissible in court (in the US). I'm not sure how to work through the bureaucracy to do this, but your company should sue them in court for incompetence to get their money back.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Kye on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:53AM (#39480553)
I've seen multiple accounts from IT/security people who discovered something like "this could get the company in legal trouble" with links to details was exactly what got an otherwise intractable issue resolved.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by flatline on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:00AM (#39480636)
Two then-current NIST standards (62 and 71?) side by side gave contradictory advice. It is a step forward though for sure.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by DarkGauss on Friday February 23, 2024 @12:29PM (#39483556)
Yep. That leads directly to passwords like:

ReallyLongP@assword$01, ReallyLongP@assword$02, ReallyLongP@assword$03, and so on.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by homeyKrogerSage on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:34AM (#39481019)
It is. I work as an IT tech at a military defense contractor and they require regular recycling passwords, with a decent number of passwords remembered. They at least have complexity requirements applied so not 100% bad, but still archaic
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by resfirestar on Friday February 23, 2024 @11:53AM (#39483035)
The same NIST document (800-63) that recommends against password expiration also recommends against complexity requirements, instead organizations are supposed to develop a list of bad passwords that would likely be used in an external dictionary attack.

People understandably get really fired up by the idea of not having to change their password every 90 days, but forget that the guidelines are a package that contains a lot of "shall"s (no password expiration is a mere "should") that would be more painful for organizations stuck with a lot of legacy software, like the requirement to use two authentication factors and the use of secure authentication protocols.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by withinboredom on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:55AM (#39481268)
Heh. I just increased a number in my password for my passwords. Then just repeat. So “CompanyName[00]” meets almost all complexity requirements and all I have to do is increment the numbers.

Note: I only do this when I have these requirements and I can’t use a password manager.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by mondobe on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:51AM (#39482104)
Sounds like a certain BOFH story... have you ever thought about just adding another "s" to the end of your password instead?
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by k8svet on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:52AM (#39480552)
Yeah, define recently.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by swozey on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:17AM (#39480184)
I forget who puts that stuff out NIST/STIG(?) but IIRC in the recent few years they determined that rotating passwords like that was basically security theater and wasn't worth the damage to the staffs productivity
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by user3939382 on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:27AM (#39480295)
NIST, whose guidelines, somehow, even other federal departments and agencies usually don’t follow.

NIST has very good password complexity and management guidelines. Just USE THEM! It’s not that hard!

How do you have billion dollar companies that can’t RTFM.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bluGill on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:38AM (#39480410)
NIST whose guidelines are admissible in court and a competent judge will take over expert testimony. (an expert witness who says something that contradicts these guidelines is guilty of perjury, though good luck persecuting that)
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by singleshot_ on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:22AM (#39481651)
The rules of evidence govern what is admissible in court and I don’t recall any rule pertaining to NIST guidelines. I think what you might mean is that the guidelines are a learned treatise which, while it would be hearsay for me or you to quote as a fact witness, is nevertheless something an expert witness can refer to.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Zak on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:58AM (#39480611)
Perjury is lying under oath, not disagreeing with government guidelines.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bee_rider on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:09AM (#39480745)
On one hand, I agree that just disagreeing with a guideline isn’t perjury. Especially in a case like this where lots of the industry still uses the old (bad, imo) plan.

On the other, an expert witness has specifically represented themselves to be an expert. Is there any level of incompetence that raises to the level of perjury in that case? IMO there ought to be.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by dmorgan81 on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:19AM (#39481612)
That would be argued in cross-examination. A witness can be shown to be not a good witness. Perjury is very specific to knowingly lying while testifying under oath. We really don't want to expand it to areas of ignorance or disagreement; that way would stop people from testifying entirely.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bluGill on Friday February 23, 2024 @12:20PM (#39483430)
An expert is someone who claims to know though, and thus if they say something that contradicts established facts they are lying under oath.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by singleshot_ on Friday February 23, 2024 @02:48PM (#39485253)
This is not even near the truth. An expert (under Daubert) is someone who convinces the court they can say something relevant and reliable based on a technique that passes a test concerning:

Whether the technique or theory in question can be, and has been tested; Whether it has been subjected to publication and peer review; Its known or potential error rate; The existence and maintenance of standards controlling its operation; and Whether it has attracted widespread acceptance within a relevant scientific community.

The expert does not “know.” The expert is the only witness who can give an opinion, more or less. Because the opinion is backed up by something, the court considers it useful.

The technique they use is what’s important, not whether their opinion contradicts a fact. I think you will find in many expert trials, two experts get the same facts and come to two completely contradictory opinions, neither of which is perjury.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bee_rider on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:02AM (#39480660)
Are there any examples of the former that you know of? Or is this just optimism?
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by marcosdumay on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:23AM (#39480904)
They decided it was useless security theater decades ago. What happened recently is that they discovered that they rule they used to actively push causes severe harm to security.

Now there's a positive rule about not doing it.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by throwway120385 on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:54AM (#39482135)
Yeah when I was a shipping clerk, we had a pile of usernames and passwords for the Census Bureau's Automated Export System on sticky notes next to the shared computer because the password rotation and complexity requirements made it impossible to remember our passwords.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by marcosdumay on Friday February 23, 2024 @11:22AM (#39482583)
Oh, there are many fun games from the 90's where you must infiltrate some place and every computer has some version of "due to the password rotation requirements, this week's password for the South-East door is 1-2-3-4, effective from Monday" pasted into it.

When the NIST added the bad rule into their ruleset (it was mostly a collection of bad rules at the time), it was already widely mocked in popular culture (well within the target population).

I now wonder if that ruleset (the original one, that basically mandated you copy every flaw on Windows NT) was honest.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Terr_ on Friday February 23, 2024 @01:35PM (#39484418)
> there are many fun games from the 90's where you must infiltrate some place and every computer has some [sticky note]

"Come to think of it, it's about time to replay Deus Ex again..."

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by tmtvl on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:05PM (#39487297)
Don't forget to invest heavily in Swimming!
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by spott on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:35AM (#39480374)
NIST, but they required password rotation up until very recently, against their own advice.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by jraph on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:27AM (#39479719)
> The same guys also force us to change our passwords every 6 months and block the last twenty

It's good we have 26 letters, that comfortably leaves you a margin of 6 combinations :-)

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Thorrez on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:10AM (#39480114)
Is blocking the last 20 passwords a bad thing? I agree the other stuff is bad, but to me, that part doesn't seem bad.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by meindnoch on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:22AM (#39480242)
Forced password updates are a bad thing.

If your company does forced password updates, they are not following the NIST recommendation: https://pages.nist.gov/800-63-FAQ/#q-b05

If your company is not following the NIST recommendation, they are incompetent, and will be held liable in case of a breach.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by internet101010 on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:25AM (#39481687)
Internal password resets are a bad thing. It has its place in document sharing/collaboration platforms not connected to AD as an additional layer of revoking access when people leave a company.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by ixwt on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:33AM (#39480347)
The company I work for had a ransomware issue, so they got more zealous about security.

They require us to change our passwords every 45 days now. When I pointed out the NIST recommendations of not rotating passwords, they say they are following the guidance of the response team that helped them recover from the ransomware. And that the NIST doesn't actually deal with the real world.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bbarnett on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:35AM (#39480384)
If your company is not following the NIST recommendation, they are incompetent, and will be held liable in case of a breach

This is a stretch. Liable? Please show the case law, or the legislation.

(My statement has no relevance to the validity of NIST's recommendations)

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bluGill on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:41AM (#39480441)
Not directly. However NIST is admissible in court and so if someone sues there is now evidence that they should have known better.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bbarnett on Friday February 23, 2024 @12:28PM (#39483540)
Anything is admissible in court, the judge merely has to allow it.

There are 1000s of such organizations, and many conflict with each other.

My point is, it's inaccurate to say you are liable for not following NIST. I could easily say you could be liable, for not following me.

Does that make it so? No.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:32PM (#39485747)
NIST SP 800-63B is informative, not normative. It codifies existing industry-standard best-practice, but is not in itself law. However, not following best-practices may be argued as negligence if it leads to a breach or decrease in shareholder value.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by pama on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:16AM (#39480180)
Even if this rule technically seems benign, together with the forced change it encourages users to game the system leading to predictable patterns, eg adding a rotating letter or digit combo at the end of a same password.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Thorrez on Saturday February 24, 2024 @01:34PM (#39493945)
Is that worse than the password without the rotating letter/digit?
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by alistairSH on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:34AM (#39480368)
In combination with forced changes, it leads to…

Password1

Password2

Password3

Etc

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by pierat on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:50AM (#39480535)
The one I see that stays updatable is:

PasswordFebruary2024!

Where month and year update on the date of forced password change.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by alistairSH on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:21AM (#39480885)
Oh, that's a good one. <runs off to update corporate logins>
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bluGill on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:44AM (#39480465)
I'm closing in on password100... It is the only sane thing to do, a good password is hard to memorize. (passphrases are must better, but hard to type correctly first thing in the morning and take too long when I need to type my password a dozen times a day)
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Karellen on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:17AM (#39480839)
ITYM

hunter3

hunter4

hunter5

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Thorrez on Saturday February 24, 2024 @01:35PM (#39493950)
Is that worse than

Password1

Password1

Password1

Etc?

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by pflenker on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:12AM (#39480139)
It leads to less security as it is more likely that the new password will just be an old one with an incremented number at the end.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by cobbaut on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:19AM (#39480215)
And unless there is a minimum password age some people will just change it 20 times and then back to the same password.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Workaccount2 on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:54AM (#39481259)
Myself and most people keep our login passwords written on paper in our desk because of this stupid practice. Can't use previous passwords and new password every 90 days. This is on top of 2FA.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by thesuitonym on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:16AM (#39481571)
The worst part is it actually leads users to boasting about how they `beat the system', essentially telling their coworkers what their pattern is, making the password easier to guess.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by macintux on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:25PM (#39486936)
I have long felt that organizations that require password rotation for employees should, when the users are changing their passwords, record and post the old password to an internal site (without any identification of the user) for educational (and mockery) purposes.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Thorrez on Saturday February 24, 2024 @01:33PM (#39493932)
That will help attackers. People often make passwords similar to their old passwords. A machine learning model could be trained on this list.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Thorrez on Saturday February 24, 2024 @01:32PM (#39493923)
Are you saying that "old one + number" is less secure than "old one"? That doesn't sound right.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by swozey on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:59AM (#39480617)
I mean it's great for 99% of your passwords and pretty much forces people into using randomized generated passwords.. but I still have to remember at least ONE password by heart. Whether it's 32 characters or 16 or what not, I still need SOME way to get into my password manager to even get to my passwords. So what, I'm going to make my password tacokissies69 and.. what, add a 0 every 6 months so I pass the 20 password minimum?

So a hacker can infer that my password is tacokissies69000 of some sort..

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Thorrez on Saturday February 24, 2024 @01:37PM (#39493968)
I'm not really sure how this problem is related to banning using identical passwords as past passwords.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by pjc50 on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:50AM (#39479910)
> I think IT incompetence should lead to audit fails or even better delisting from exchanges.

Fear of policy is why you get things like "force us to change our passwords every 6 months and block the last twenty". Getting a central arbiter of IT competence is a hard problem.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by danaris on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:21AM (#39480231)
> The same guys also force us to change our passwords every 6 months

While I know this may be fruitless, it might be worthwhile to point out to them that the official guidance from NIST and similar organizations is now not to do this.

The IT department where I work required yearly password changes up until I brought this change to their attention, at which point they changed to simply recommending a password change if you have reason to believe it might have been compromised.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by M95D on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:01AM (#39480648)
> have to type 10-20 per day

Same problem here. My solution: Get a mouse with internal memory for macros, such as Natec Genesis GX78 (old, no longer available, but this is an example). Program your new password on one of the unused mouse buttons or in a different profile. Use the mouse to type the password.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by reaperman on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:06AM (#39480704)
Might be a good product to app-ify. Maybe a USB dongle that acts like a keyboard and controlled by your phone. Give it some sort of 1Password / Bitwarden integration.

Could make it double as a YubiKey.

Surely this exists already?

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by f3d46600-b66e on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:19AM (#39480860)
Yubikey supports this already, but without the phone part.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by reaperman on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:04AM (#39481385)
Does it require installing 3rd party software on the host machine? This might not work great for this kind of "shadow IT" application in all environments, whereas one that acts as a USB keyboard might be more versatile.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by aidenn0 on Friday February 23, 2024 @11:21AM (#39482568)
Does it require installing 3rd party software on the host machine?

No, it identifies as a keyboard. It also defaults to generating a password that will use the same scancodes on (most?) western keyboard layouts so that computers configured to default to e.g. QWERTZ or AZERTY will still result in the same password.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by reaperman on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:47PM (#39485891)
How do you tell it which password to type?
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by aidenn0 on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:59PM (#39486659)
IIRC there is a maximum of two; one on short-press and one on long-press.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by organsnyder on Friday February 23, 2024 @11:16AM (#39482494)
Only to configure it. It presents as a USB keyboard (among other device types).
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by reaperman on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:47PM (#39485898)
How do you tell it which password to type? I haven't seen yubikeys with physical interfaces to select a particular password.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by mikepurvis on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:29AM (#39480968)
I should do this for ssh password entry. Running ssh-agent is still 90% of the story, but it comes up often enough that I'm on a terminal in a remote machine or inside a screen session or something that it would still be awfully useful to be able to just autotype it.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Terr_ on Friday February 23, 2024 @01:38PM (#39484448)
Separately from the password aspect, consider how convenient it may be to use your smartphone as a kind of re-reified "clipboard": Use the camera and on-device OCR to copy text, then "paste" it as a virtual keyboard connected over USB.

It's very niche, but in those rare situations it'll be a big time-saver compared to human transcription or the rigamarole of setting up some other kind of data channel.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by reaperman on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:08PM (#39488485)
Now I’m curious if BT can be secure enough for all this (responsibly)
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by RunningDroid on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:29PM (#39487483)
The InputStick¹ can provide the hardware side, the software side is open-source² as well. It only has a keepass2android plugin at the moment though.

1: http://inputstick.com

2: https://github.com/inputstick

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Grazester on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:26AM (#39480937)
Yubikeys can do this.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by eropple on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:33AM (#39481007)
It can, and I tried this, but in practice we have to change our passwords at my current employer so frequently that I got more irked changing it on the Yubikey (not the least hassle-free of processes, as I couldn't install the Yubikey software on the work machine) than just typing the thing.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by abustamam on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:00AM (#39481330)
I had a similar experience at an old company that used M365. YMMV but with Bitwarden I generate passphrases like Pregnant-Guppy-Skateboard9 and it made it tons easier for me to type 20x a day than &7UoTod#$7OOD
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by aaronharnly on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:33AM (#39481818)
My work password now has an "18" embedded somewhere in the middle of it thanks to my autoincrement approach to handling that kind of obnoxious policy.

Then I became CTO and retired the policy to align to modern NIST recommendations, so that "18" is in there forever :)

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by WorldMaker on Friday February 23, 2024 @01:07PM (#39484049)
I've noticed that Microsoft themselves aren't helping this right now. M365 seems to default to using random-tenant-guid.onmicrosoft.com for a lot of these transactional emails like password changes even though the official account.microsoft.com is fully multi-tenant aware and most Microsoft guidance tells you to always go directly to account.microsoft.com. These transactional email mistakes seem like another case of Microsoft accidentally exposing problems in their org chart to external customers. I imagine it has something to do with the wild rewrites from old Azure AD to new "exciting brand" Entra ID and other such shenanigans combined with Microsoft's willingness to bend over backwards to bad IT administrators and letting them set bad defaults (such as "just us the .onmicrosoft.com GUID instead of a real domain"), because companies love to pay them good money for the "control" to do stupid things in Group Policies and corporate configuration.

Combined with the fact that the largest single source of spam I'm seeing right now is also coming from random tenant GUIDs .onmicrosoft.com (is Azure really missing that much SMTP security for random M365 tenants?) and this sort of corporate anti-training users to follow bad transactional email links, it certainly feels like we are in a perfect storm of M365 phishing.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Fogest on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:28PM (#39486966)
The whole Microsoft Office suite online just feels like hacky code on top of more hacky code. And combine with how your account can also be signed into your PC, and then also signed into applications. I have a work email, and two personal emails that all make use of Microsoft products. What a mess it is managing the accounts and the different systems. The business emails and accounts just seem sloppy and seem to work different than personal accounts.

Overall when compared to Google's suite of products, M365 just seems so sloppy.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by dimask on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:55PM (#39487206)
Add to this the different varieties of their apps. The whole MS thing is a mess imo also because it cannot decide if it is for enterprise or for personal use. Some colleagues had to reinstall outlook, and after that things did not work properly. What actually happened was that they had googled and downloaded "outlook" from microsoft's website, instead of installing the m365 suite version. Which is basically a different application or version or whatever, but sharing the same name and app icon.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by Breza on Friday March 01, 2024 @03:23PM (#39566371)
I totally agree. For some reason, my work computer has Teams for work and Teams for personal use. Um, my friends aren't exactly hanging out on Teams.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by lobochrome on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:31PM (#39487505)
Agreed!

This should be out of the hands of the local IT clowns entirely.

Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by iamthirsty on Friday February 23, 2024 @01:15PM (#39484150)
The Walt Disney Company did exactly this when I was there, and everyone dreaded it. Did nothing but waste time.
Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by dimask on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:39PM (#39487061)
> Guess the average strength of an employee password!

It is interesting how sometimes creating "more secure" measures results on less security. Our IT department decided that using 2fa for vpn is not enough, we should also extra 2fa for connecting to the webmail even through intranet or vpn. Guess who stopped using the vpn.

Meanwhile, one can set up and use our email through any email client app on desktop or mobile without any 2fa at any step. Go figure.