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Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by meindnoch on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:22AM (#39480242)
Forced password updates are a bad thing.

If your company does forced password updates, they are not following the NIST recommendation: https://pages.nist.gov/800-63-FAQ/#q-b05

If your company is not following the NIST recommendation, they are incompetent, and will be held liable in case of a breach.

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Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by internet101010 on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:25AM (#39481687)
Internal password resets are a bad thing. It has its place in document sharing/collaboration platforms not connected to AD as an additional layer of revoking access when people leave a company.
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Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by ixwt on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:33AM (#39480347)
The company I work for had a ransomware issue, so they got more zealous about security.

They require us to change our passwords every 45 days now. When I pointed out the NIST recommendations of not rotating passwords, they say they are following the guidance of the response team that helped them recover from the ransomware. And that the NIST doesn't actually deal with the real world.

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Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bbarnett on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:35AM (#39480384)
If your company is not following the NIST recommendation, they are incompetent, and will be held liable in case of a breach

This is a stretch. Liable? Please show the case law, or the legislation.

(My statement has no relevance to the validity of NIST's recommendations)

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Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bluGill on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:41AM (#39480441)
Not directly. However NIST is admissible in court and so if someone sues there is now evidence that they should have known better.
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Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by bbarnett on Friday February 23, 2024 @12:28PM (#39483540)
Anything is admissible in court, the judge merely has to allow it.

There are 1000s of such organizations, and many conflict with each other.

My point is, it's inaccurate to say you are liable for not following NIST. I could easily say you could be liable, for not following me.

Does that make it so? No.

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Re:Thanks FedEx, This Is Why We Keep Getting Phished by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:32PM (#39485747)
NIST SP 800-63B is informative, not normative. It codifies existing industry-standard best-practice, but is not in itself law. However, not following best-practices may be argued as negligence if it leads to a breach or decrease in shareholder value.
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