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Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by disillusioned on Friday February 23, 2024 @01:27AM (#39477600)
The machines use the charitably named "demographic sensor" which is obviously the embedded camera linked to a "facial recognition" application, BUT, it doesn't appear that it actually recognizes (or records) faces. Meaning, it's not linking your face to any online identity, or recording your face at all. In fact, the company is European and claims that their entire platform is GDPR compliant, which is... probably true?

Rather, it throws out a series of guesses and confidence values of a person's age, gender, and race, and allow the planogram (and OOH advertising) to change dynamically based on that information.

Which is not necessarily great, but also an entire order of magnitude less invasive than every interaction any casual user has on the internet with any ad ever. Or, frankly, with any POS system recording a repeat purchase from your credit card, from which motivated vendors can back into the rest of the demographic data.

I'm not excusing it, but while the error reads "facial recognition", it's more "stereotyping enablement platform," which, while only marginally better, is probably still better.

It's also hilarious to think of the thing displaying the green M&M if you're a "probable" woman, and the red or yellow M&M if you're a "probable" man, and seeing how long it'd take for anyone to correlate the change.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by rwmj on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:12AM (#39478134)
That's what the company claims, and maybe it's right, but how do we know? Do we have access to the source code? Will it change in future? You can be absolutely sure that if the company thought they could make more money by storing the photographs or somehow associating them with real identities then they would.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by tdudhhu on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:24AM (#39478217)
It is invasive.

In theory they can do something like "Why do you look so sad? Maybe a Mars can cheer you up!". This can be done while being GDPR complient but people don't like that. It creates a feeling that everything is watching you.

Privacy is not about hiding things, it is about controlling what you want to show.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by rob74 on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:09AM (#39479585)
"You don't look like yourself today... have a Snickers!"
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by sleepingreset on Friday February 23, 2024 @08:06AM (#39480073)
maybe I'm weird. I put small pieces of blue tape over all of the cameras in my dorm's vending machines for this reason, too.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by reaperman on Sunday February 25, 2024 @05:11AM (#39499491)
Kind of surprised people haven't started putting a piece of tape over it, then coming back 8 hours later with a small drill and drilling through the now-blacked-out camera lens to permanently disable it in their living areas.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by pimlottc on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:56AM (#39481272)
"Feeling good? Celebrate with a Mars bar!"
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by ImHereToVote on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:33AM (#39478660)
I can't wait for the shitstorm when it starts suggesting grape soda to POC.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by southernplaces7 on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:16AM (#39478947)
What's a POC? And why would pushing grape soda at them cause a shitstorm?
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by disillusioned on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:22AM (#39478977)
Person of color. Because of the implication.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by hnbad on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:43AM (#39479083)
Honestly, as a European some American racist tropes are truly baffling to me. Stereotypically Black people apparently enjoy watermelons, deep fried chicken and grape soda. In other words Black people allegedly like food humans often like and Americans managed to take than and make it racist.

I'm not saying it's not used as a racist trope. I'm saying it's amazing how Americans managed to be racist enough to make such a non-issue racist.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by drekipus on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:54AM (#39479137)
Engagement metrics effects on a corporate society
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by narag on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:15AM (#39481555)
Stereotypically Black people apparently enjoy watermelons, deep fried chicken and grape soda.

Check, check, check. Yum! TIL that I could pass for black in America. OK, maybe not.

Unfortunately grape soda is almost impossible to find in Madrid, I've only tried it a couple of times, first in Rota Base, and loved it.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by giraffe_lady on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:29AM (#39481762)
My experience has been that european cultures are approximately as racist as the US, they just have different histories and dynamics so it comes out differently. There is a lot less visible reckoning with race as well, which makes it easier to assume or pretend that there are no problems with it.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by ImHereToVote on Saturday February 24, 2024 @05:05AM (#39490465)
Just don't ask Europeans about gypsies. The racism is next level in Europe.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by rchaud on Friday February 23, 2024 @02:22PM (#39484992)
The racism is in the context of deprivation. Watermelon in and of itself is neutral. In America however, freed slaves did not have access to good agricultural land that could grow many fruits and vegetables. Watermelon grows on poor quality soil, so it was available to the poorest black sharecropper.

Because of this, it became associated with black people, and thereby with criminality, low education and poverty among the dominant culture that created this sort of pattern-matching.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by hnbad on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:54AM (#39526347)
Thank you for this context. I literally did not know this about watermelons.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by Izkata on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:07PM (#39488474)
Meet-and-greet the first few days at my college dorm nearly 20 years ago:

> Albino student: "Hey, where'd you get that watermelon?"

> Student with watermelon: "Dude, I'm black."

I think it was around then I first learned of the watermelon / friend chicken stereotype (I didn't get why everyone laughed when he said this), but "grape soda" is a new one to me.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by southernplaces7 on Sunday February 25, 2024 @02:05PM (#39503691)
>I'm saying it's amazing how Americans managed to be racist enough to make such a non-issue racist.

And you're a European? As a fellow European (balkans) I can comfortably say that many European cultures are racist as hell, to a degree that would make even quite a few Americans blush. I'd be careful about feeling any superiority over supposed European sophistication even in Western Europe.

Ask nearly anyone there about gypsies, jews or arabs in a context where they think they can speak honestly and privately. The kind of shit that gave Europe at least one huge holocaust and god knows how many pogroms before that hasn't entirely gone away, it's mostly just better camouflaged and with some of its sharper edges cut away.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by hnbad on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:54AM (#39526344)
Oh, absolutely. But the level of hyperfixation present in American racism against Black people stands out whereas the other racism feels more familiar.

I guess the European equivalent would be the racism against gypsies with the distinction being that it's less prominent for simple demographic reasons owing to us trying to genocide them for centuries. Of course this makes it all the more shocking to Americans when it does come up because of how flagrant it is.

But yeah, Europeans are no less racist than Americans. I'd go even so far as to say milquetoast non-racism (e.g. corporate DEI, the typical "one of each color" groups of people in stock images etc) is more widely accepted in the US than here in Europe given how many racist comments I see any time an ad includes a brown person. I think however that that has less to do with being less racist and more with being more "politically correct" (in the original sense -- i.e. saying what you're supposed to say, not what you believe).

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by JohnFen on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @08:43AM (#39523984)
I'm an American, but I'd never heard of the grape soda thing before.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by Freak_NL on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:07AM (#39479212)
Good. That at least will turn public opinion against this concept.

The whole notion of not even being allowed to see the same ads as your fellow man in a public space because you are involuntarily shunted into some kind of cohort is disgusting, regardless of what is being used to decide that.

Imagine walking somewhere and seeing all the digital ad screens around you switch to basket ball events or Kentucky Fried Chicken where they were showing tailor made suits just a second before. (Or ads for a pre-emptive rectal exam or mobility aids.)

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by oniony on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:05AM (#39478869)
It's not a camera, it's an optical sensor, lol.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by codethief on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:12AM (#39479611)
> In fact, the company is European and claims that their entire platform is GDPR compliant, which is... probably true?

I don't see how it is. The mere processing of my personal information (age, gender, race – doesn't matter that it's only a guess/estimate) without my explicit consent or any contractual need should already represent a violation of GDPR.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by maxcoder4 on Saturday February 24, 2024 @10:03AM (#39491945)
As far as I understand it's not, because GDPR concerns itself with personally identifiable data and "age/gender/race" is not identifiable in general (in context of a vending machine in a large city).
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by codethief on Saturday February 24, 2024 @07:07PM (#39496309)
Correlate this with the date and location of the vending machine and it's not so clear anymore. GDPR is also concerned with data that could potentially be used to identify you.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by mateo1 on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:16AM (#39480827)
Honestly the whole thing would be funny if it's wasn't part of the dystopian society we're building. Is this... innovation now? What are we trying to optimize society for? Extracting maximum rents? But were will the money come from if everyone is doing the same thing and producing nothing of value?
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by mrighele on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:35AM (#39481024)
> In fact, the company is European and claims that their entire platform is GDPR compliant, which is... probably true?

Is a picture of my face necessary to sell me a chocolate bar ? I would say not, and if they take it without asking consent before I would say that it is not GDPR compliant.