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Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by lnxg33k1 on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:28AM (#39399167)
I think you did well saying you cross the street, but then suggested that I solve your problem for you, how entitled, you are annoyed by smoking and I have to go in the cage, I could say, if you are annoyed by people smoking wear a mask or stay at home
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by zooi on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:37AM (#39399325)
The difference between those two is that, by smoking, you become the aggressor. If being considerate and empathetic is "solving someone else's problem" then I don't see how that's entitled. Don't smoke in public.
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by kshahkshah on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:30AM (#39399215)
personal freedoms (should) end when they impinge on others health and safety
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by lnxg33k1 on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:34AM (#39399276)
I feel like smokers are just there taking shit for everyone, cmon guys you live in cities filled by smog and chemicals and asbestos, but when it comes to smokers “omg the devil”
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by sonicanatidae on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:20PM (#39399985)
This is exactly what it is, because smokers are within reach, while the people doing the genuine damage are not.

Smoking is not healthy and smokers should be considerate of others when engaging, but let's be real about it.

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by metabagel on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:38AM (#39399334)
I’ve long thought that smokers consider the whole world to be their ashtray.
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by bill_joy_fanboy on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:04PM (#39399757)
Q: Why do you always find cigarette butts littered all over the place? A: Because people who smoke are the same people who litter.
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by inglor_cz on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:06PM (#39399793)
"cmon guys you live in cities filled by smog and chemicals and asbestos"

That sounds like rationalization of your own actions.

Sure, the environment in cities isn't pristine, but it is a lot better than several decades ago, and multiple bans on noxious substances were needed to clean the air up a bit. When my mother was a kid (1950s), smog was so severe that street lamps had to be lit during the day. Ah, the beauty of burning coal in the middle of a city without any filters.

Maybe, if you are a smoker, you are just so used to smoke that you don't realize how disgusting it is for non-smokers.

A friend of mine quit and, after a few months, as his sense of smell slowly came back from the dead, sincerely apologized to everyone else for smoking around us. He said that he, as a smoker, just didn't realize how pungent and revolting the smell of tobacco smoke is to others.

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by lnxg33k1 on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:12PM (#39399882)
I also quit smoking and started to feel its disgusting, but its my issue, i dont expect the world to change to accomodate my sense of smell, and surely wont say lets put those who annoy me in small delimited areas
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by inglor_cz on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:26PM (#39400093)
One of the directions in which civilization is slowly developing is cleanliness.

Once upon a time, people threw all sorts of garbage in the streets, including rat carcasses and what have you. It was the norm and people complaining about it were considered sissies.

In the 1900s, this was already beyond the pale, but "everyone" was fine with black soot from coal-fired furnaces covering everything, and with car engines smelling to high heavens.

Nowadays we don't tolerate either, so smokers are starting to be targeted.

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by itishappy on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:03PM (#39400651)
I'm upset about smog and asbestos too. They're not exclusive.
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by Toorkit on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:37AM (#39399326)
You're breathing in car fumes all day, a bit of smoke from 5 meters away isn't much worse.
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by kshahkshah on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:29PM (#39400122)
We have regulations on emissions. We ban 2 stroke engines. We have congestion pricing to prevent cars from coming in cities. We ban lead from fuel. We try to invest in public transportation. We build more bike lanes. We use electric vehicles.

An imperfect world is not an excuse for inaction

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by pixelpoet on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:46AM (#39399482)
The floodgates don't automatically open for every possible unhealthy thing, just because we're already getting exposed to one thing. Isn't this a classic logical fallacy / plain obvious?

If you break your leg, is it okay for someone to punch you? I mean, it's way less damage than you've already sustained, right...

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by lnxg33k1 on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:24PM (#39400047)
I'd read it as if you had your leg broken, but would be complaining and trying to solve an itch on your arm, I understand people want to be healthy, but starting from the least dangerous, if you're exposed to chemicals 24 hrs without doing anything, why do you get so Robespierre when it comes to smokers
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by pixelpoet on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:41PM (#39400312)
> I understand people want to be healthy

You're overcomplicating it, it's not about that, it's simply fuck them for flagrantly smoking right in my face. It's literally a physical assault, and entirely "optional" / their choice to not give a fuck about anyone else.

There's a huge range of possible things like this people could do to each other which is simply not okay out of basic consideration for others / not being a massive dick. What if I decided I like the smell of some other chemical that's bad for you / proven carcinogen etc, and open this up on a busy train platform. Do I then get to argue technicalities about other unhealthy things too? What if everyone did this?

Is this the point we've reached in society, where we want to argue our right to do such things to each other? Purely out of choice, not even some necessity...

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by sonicanatidae on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:21PM (#39400011)
The fallacy here is one of equating smokers with corporations who pump out 1000s of times more damaging chemicals than smokers do.

Smokers should be considerate, that's a given, but you're arguing a false premise with hyperbole.

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by macromagnon on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:49AM (#39399539)
Exactly, we're already breathing all kinds of dangerous substances from multiple sources, why add another one.

Honestly, since they banned indoor smoking and having people smoke 9m from doors, I don't mind it. What I do mind is people throwing butts all over the place, for some reason, even people who avoid littering don't think twice about throwing their dirty butts everywhere. Every time spring comes and snow starts melting it's so disgusting everywhere.

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by inglor_cz on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:09PM (#39399830)
Surprisingly, it is for me, at least where cars are relatively new and low-emission.

In the developing world, where very old cars are routinely used, the fumes are worse than smoke from individual smokers. In the EU, it is the other way round.

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by lnxg33k1 on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:33PM (#39400192)
Diesel is a cancer machine all over the world, regardless of the generation, thinking otherwise is madness
Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by inglor_cz on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:38PM (#39400264)
"Diesel is a cancer machine"

How come that nations that have more diesel engines don't suffer from cancer more?

In Ireland or Italy, something like 40 per cent of new cars are diesels. In Finland it is less than 20 per cent and in the Netherlands less than 10 per cent.

If diesel was a cancer machine, I would expect Italians to have a lot more cancer than the Dutch. Dose-response is a thing in toxicology.

Re:Smoking has long-term effects on the immune system by saiya-jin on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:22PM (#39400014)
> I think you did well saying you cross the street, but then suggested that I solve your problem for you, how entitled, you are annoyed by smoking and I have to go in the cage, I could say, if you are annoyed by people smoking wear a mask or stay at home

Cigarette smokers, they never to stop amazing me how arrogant and self-centered many of them are when talking about actual topics.

Its btw a great way to find out who you are really dealing with - anybody can produce sweet talk on demand if they have a clear goal. Stub their toe with say some hard addiction of theirs and personalities surface very quickly