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Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by NikkiA on Friday February 09, 2024 @05:47AM (#39313515)
I find it equally ridiculous for the 'stop treating everyone like children crowd to pretend that removing all restraints preventing things like people asking how to make explosives or getting AI to write paedophilic fanfic or making CSA imagery is a solution either.

ie, both sides have points, and there's no simple solution :(

Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by Brian_K_White on Friday February 09, 2024 @07:24AM (#39314075)
What is simple is that the bad use of knowledge does not supercede or even equal the use of knowledge in general.

There are 2 things to consider:

The only answer to bad people with power is a greater number of good people with power. Luckily it happens that while most people are not saints, more people are more good than bad. When everyone is empowered equally, there can be no asshole ceo, warlord, mob boss, garden variety murderer, etc.

But let's say that even if that weren't true and the bad outnumbered the good. It actually still doesn't change anything. In that world there is even LESS justification for denying lifesaving empowering knowledge to the innocent. You know who would seek to do that? The bad guys, not the good guys. The criminals and tyrants and ordinary petty authoritarians universally love the idea of controlling information. It's not good company to side yourself with.

Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by mrtksn on Friday February 09, 2024 @06:16AM (#39313691)
And what’s that point of information control?

I’m not a law abiding citizen just because I don’t know how to commit crimes and I don’t believe anyone is.

It’s not lack of knowledge what’s stopping me from doing bad things and I don’t think people are all trying to do something bad but they can’t because they don’t know how.

This information control bs probably has nothing to do with the security.

Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by sterlind on Friday February 09, 2024 @06:50AM (#39313868)
Wikipedia has formulas for producing explosives. For example, TATP:

> The most common route for nearly pure TATP is H2O2/acetone/HCl in 1:1:0.25 molar ratios, using 30% hydrogen peroxide.

Why are you uncomfortable with an AI language model that can tell you what you can already find for yourself on Google? Or should we start gating Wikipedia access to accredited chemists?

Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by bombcar on Friday February 09, 2024 @03:07PM (#39319862)
The companies are obviously afraid of a journalist showing "I asked it for X and got back this horrible/evil/racist answer" - the "AI Safety" experts are capitalizing on that, and everyone else is annoyed that the tool gets more and more crippled.
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by ggjkvcxddd on Friday February 09, 2024 @06:02AM (#39313608)
There's a pretty vast gulf between "unwilling to answer innocent everyday questions" and "unwilling to produce child porn".
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by izacus on Friday February 09, 2024 @05:53AM (#39313549)
That is some big strawman you've built there and jumped to some heck of a conclusion.
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by Nevermark on Friday February 09, 2024 @06:02AM (#39313609)
I don’t think it is a straw man.

The point is for now, trying to make LLM’s safe in reasonable ways has uncontrolled spillover results.

You can’t (today) have much of the first without some wacky amount of the second.

But today is short, and solving AI using AI (independently trained critics, etc.) and the advance of general AI reasoning will improve the situation.

Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by xigoi on Friday February 09, 2024 @06:06AM (#39313629)
What’s wrong with paedophilic fanfic?
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by CaptainFever on Friday February 09, 2024 @03:40PM (#39320234)
... Good point. No actual children are harmed. In fact it could help decimate demand for real-life black markets.
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by samatman on Friday February 09, 2024 @04:01PM (#39320501)
I would say that there's enough wrong with paedophilic fanfic that companies which rent LLMs to the public don't want those LLMs producing it.
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by xigoi on Friday February 09, 2024 @04:54PM (#39320968)
You didn’t answer the question.
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by samatman on Friday February 09, 2024 @07:05PM (#39322049)
Your point being.
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by xigoi on Friday February 09, 2024 @08:42PM (#39322686)
I want to know what the peint is of preventing AI from writing paedophile fictlon.
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by samatman on Saturday February 10, 2024 @10:27AM (#39326802)
AI generally? I would say there's no point in that, it's an undue restriction on freedom.

AI provided as SaaS by companies? They don't want the bad press.

Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by frabcus on Sunday February 11, 2024 @04:01PM (#39338663)
Also end users complain - I ran an LLM for language learning with millions of users, and we made extra calls to the OpenAI content moderation API because both we and our users wanted it to stay polite and "safe". Most corporate applications have this need.
Re:Gemini can't show me the fastest way to copy memory in C#... by octopoc on Friday February 09, 2024 @05:24PM (#39321238)
Nothing, just like there's nothing wrong with racist fanfics. The line should be drawn when someone rapes a child or hangs a black person.