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Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by fouronnes3 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:54AM (#39301918)
Bard? Gemini? Gemini Advanced? Gemini Ultra? Ultra 1.0? I guess they haven't figured out naming yet. This has got to be the most confusing naming since the xbox series x.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by pgeorgi on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:59AM (#39301967)
From one of the earlier announcements Google has made:

- Bard is that talkative text interface, a product.

- Gemini is the LLM design that currently backs Bard (but also other Google AI products).

- Gemini "Basic", Advanced and Ultra are different sizes of that design.

This is conjecture, but "Ultra 1.0" probably indicates that they intend to release more models based on the Ultra configuration. Since that's the most commercial of theirs, I wouldn't be surprised if that comes with some stability promises (e.g. Ultra 1.0 is still available when Ultra 3.0 is released, so that if you do your own validation when integrating in your own project, you can expect small-to-no shifts in the underlying model)

Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by lordswork on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:20AM (#39302187)
With the Bard name retired, the mapping looks like this:

   Gemini Models     gemini.google.com
   ------------------------------------
   Gemini Nano
   Gemini Pro       -> Gemini (free)
   Gemini Ultra     -> Gemini Advanced ($20/month)
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by ionwake on Thursday February 08, 2024 @01:29PM (#39305620)
This was useful, thank you.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by __s on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:03AM (#39302004)
> To reflect this, Bard will now simply be known as Gemini.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by darkerside on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:10AM (#39302089)
And this completely undercuts my point in my response to sibling comment
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by darkerside on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:09AM (#39302081)
Sounds like Bard is ChatGPT, and Gemini Ultra is GPT-4. Arguably clearer than OpenAI'S naming.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by akmittal on Thursday February 08, 2024 @11:10AM (#39303640)
Not anymore, bard is also Gemini now
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by cubefox on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:04AM (#39302015)
No no, they renamed Bard to Gemini and Gemini Ultra to Ultra 1.0.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by bushbaba on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:20AM (#39302185)
Damn they already killed bard. Pour one out for Google’s fastest branding deprecation
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by htrp on Thursday February 08, 2024 @02:41PM (#39306591)
> This is conjecture, but "Ultra 1.0" probably indicates that they intend to release more models based on the Ultra configuration. Since that's the most commercial of theirs, I wouldn't be surprised if that comes with some stability promises (e.g. Ultra 1.0 is still available when Ultra 3.0 is released, so that if you do your own validation when integrating in your own project, you can expect small-to-no shifts in the underlying model)

Given that it's google. I would doubt it.

Ask how the original palm models are going.

Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by TechRemarker on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:03AM (#39302009)
I think that’s a side effect of each time they release a version to compete with ChatGPT and it’s not as good so they have to at the same time announce a few version that is suppose to be better than ChatGPT and each time it’s not overall so they have to announce a new version. Think this will continues for a while especially since non OpenAI companies have access to much less free data troves than they did not that everyone realizes how valuable that data is. But that even aside other companies even Microsoft in my opinion with full chatgpt access implement it much more poorly . I imagine Apple will suffer a similar fate for a while.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by true_religion on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:24AM (#39302220)
I feel that by virtue of being a search engine, Google has access to a lot of data that is now locked up but was available in the past.

They just need to curate their data but I wouldn’t be surprised if their pile is as large as OpenAiz

Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by la64710 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:33AM (#39302340)
ChatGPT quality has recently degraded. I am only getting two lines answers,
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by joshspankit on Thursday February 08, 2024 @10:08AM (#39302775)
All degradation is temporary (but you may want to switch to the API since it’s less focused on avoiding PR nightmares)
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by xpressvideoz on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:59AM (#39301974)
Reminds me of the naming madness of the Google messaging services/social media.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by vaughnegut on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:59AM (#39301969)
It's not too confusing, I think it's mostly that they're in the process of changing the naming.

- Bard: Retiring this name - Gemini: model name (honestly less confusing than just calling it "GPT") - Gemini Advanced: More capable gemini model - Gemini Ultra: Most capable gemini model - Gemini 1.0: They version their models together, gemini has hit 1.0 ad is (supposedly) ready for prime time

Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by IanCal on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:07AM (#39302049)
You say it's not confusing but you've got it wrong :)

Gemini is the name of the model and the service.

Gemini Advanced is the service with access to Gemini Ultra.

Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by skywhopper on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:10AM (#39302093)
Via the “AI Premium” subscription, obviously.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by toddmorey on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:18AM (#39302167)
Which is in a Google One subscription
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by dbspin on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:29AM (#39302267)
It's not included in a google one subscription. Just tried it out, got a "Upgrade your Google One plan to get Gemini Advanced €21.99 €0 for 2 months,€21.99/month thereafter."

Pretty hilarious thinking they can rival ChatGPT pricing with a product that doesn't approach it's capabilities.

Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by cubefox on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:06AM (#39302044)
I think Gemini Advanced is not a model at all but the paid version of the Bard (now Gemini) website.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by londons_explore on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:57AM (#39301949)
Corporate naming tends to reflect the orgchart and various individuals' desires for promotion... Get some other product branded with your teams name, and you have just expanded your domain and can show impact to any promotion committee...
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by Foivos on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:11AM (#39302102)
I think the prize for the most confusing naming is a tie between USB and WiFi standards.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by possibly_not on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:21AM (#39302196)
Bard was absolutely trashed when it first released, so I'm not surprised they are trying to rebrand it.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by antonioevans on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:58AM (#39301954)
Doesn't it seem familiar, like something Google would do? They should have someone like Larry Page, similar to how Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk handle things. A decision is made and you go forward. Google seems incapable of taking action without the approval of a committee and middle managers...reminds me of IBM back in the '90s.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by la64710 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:32AM (#39302322)
Better than ChatGPT now only giving two lines answer .
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by burnerburnson on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:36AM (#39302367)
I bet you have a hell of a time trying to buy gas. Do you pick Diesel, 85, 87, or 91?
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by skywhopper on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:09AM (#39302067)
Don’t forget the Google One AI Premium subscription. There are very few superlatives left for them to use.
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by m3kw9 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:58AM (#39301956)
Ultra Pro coming in q3
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by numbsafari on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:08AM (#39302063)
This makes sense. It’s clearly a binary naming scheme. So we go Pro, Ultra, Ultra Pro, Ultra Ultra, Ultra Pro Pro, Ultra Pro Ultra, Ultra Ultra Ultra, and so on.

I don’t understand why people find this so confusing. Are we not computer people?

/s

Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by oscarb92 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:58AM (#39301964)
Do you mean Xbox One Series X? lol
Re:Gemini Ultra now available in Google Bard by klabb3 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @02:35PM (#39306501)
To be fair, the competition is ChatGPT, which is an impressively bad product name, among the worst for a consumer product ever. And it still hasn’t been renamed (perhaps a testament to the fact that names aren’t that important after all)

Bard was infuriatingly bad too, but more on a subjective level. And they correctly changed it, thank god. At least it’s easy to pronounce.

Software engineers have a weird obsession with Latin, Greek gods etc. Sounds smart and epic I guess. Personally I would have preferred “Steve French”.