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Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by hbn on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @10:29AM (#39289715)
I blame Google for popularizing that.

Honestly it was fine enough for a YouTube error, "we couldn't find that video." But then everyone started copying it, including Microsoft who, in Windows 8, updated the blue screen of death to have a "whoopsie poopsie! Your computer has a widdle boo boo!" type message, accented with a :( sad face emoticon.

Which I can guarantee was presented to countless people who lost real work. I'm sure they found that real reassuring.

Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by wseqyrku on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @12:18PM (#39291216)
I've seen this one from Google which is kind of peculiar.

Your client does not have permission to get URL / from this server. _That’s all we know._

Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by quatrefoil on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:42PM (#39293241)
Yeah, that one was always a bit weird because it's essentially a lie: no, you know more. You're not telling me and that's fine, but come on.
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by schoen on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:47PM (#39294105)
I imagine the context is something like "the associated permissions were set by a different group or department within Google and/or decided by software running elsewhere that didn't communicate its reasoning as part of the protocol it speaks to the load balancer". That is, that's all the system generating the error message knows.

But yeah, it also feels like "we (Google) don't care that much about your problem here, because nobody is going to improve this software to give you a more meaningful explanation".

Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by arccy on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @04:10PM (#39294361)
often disclosing any more information is considered a security leak
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by PeeMcGee on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @05:51PM (#39295417)
I imagined it being sort of tongue in cheek, like saying "who wants to know?". _That's all we know_ minimizes alarm to laymen while communicating that the page contains no other interesting information.
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by passwordoops on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @11:12AM (#39290295)
As an aside we once set a labmates' welcome screen to the blue screen of death. We let him angrily restart the laptop 3 times before letting on.

This predated the annoying :( which I think would have led him to break the computer after the second try

Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by 13of40 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:47PM (#39294097)
Back in the day, the blue screen and unhandled exception messages in Windows had some actual useful information in them, like the memory address where it happened, some arguments passed to the bugcheck routine, etc.

Back then the I-cannot-program-my-VCR crowd used to call tech support and scream about all the "egghead nonsense gobbledygook" on their screen. And since there's orders of magnitude more of them than there are people ready to fire up their kernel debugger and make use of that info, guess which tack the UX took?

Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by ambigious7777 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @05:42PM (#39295334)
Reminds me of the time when we switched around all the icons on the desktop (ie chrome => file explorer, recycle bin => vlc) of my friend's laptop. He eventually gave up and launched the programs from command line.
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by ragnese on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @11:32AM (#39290588)
I mentioned in another comment that the "apology" and humanization of the error messages doesn't bother me, but I have to admit that the frowny face and the infantilizing messages DOES make me irrationally irritated.
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by funcDropShadow on Friday February 09, 2024 @04:44AM (#39313181)
But the emotion of irritation is human. Therefore, mission accomplished.
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by grotorea on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @01:20PM (#39292129)
Didn't Mac OS have a sad face way before?
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by marcosdumay on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @01:25PM (#39292206)
It's perfectly fine to use "we" in a message on a web site. It's not fine on local software.
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by hbn on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:13PM (#39293664)
Windows may as well be considered a web service at this point!
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by marcosdumay on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:51PM (#39294161)
Yep, but I guess that's exactly what the OP was complaining about. It was just badly stated.

You don't get tempted to talk in terms of "we" when you are doing software that is controlled by its user. But policing the language won't achieve anything either.

Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by causi on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:58PM (#39293457)
I threw all my Google Home's into the trash after I told one to "shut the hell up!" and it started shaming me about being rude to it.
Re:Should Error Messages Apologize? by ryanisnan on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @08:36PM (#39296768)
You know, if my computer said “whoopsie poopsie! Your computer has a widdle boo boo!” I would be amused.