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Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by growingkittens on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @08:46AM (#39288474)
Parents in the US are allowed to unilaterally destroy a child's life in many ways.

For instance, spanking. Discussions around spanking focus on parent's rights without defining what spanking is.

Some people think of spanking as a strong tap on the butt. Others chase their children down with a belt while screaming obscenities. Both of these people are accepted in society if they describe their actions as 'spanking'.

If someone advocates for spanking without defining what it is, the chances that they have unwittingly acted as an advocate for child abuse are really high.

Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by Aurornis on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:34AM (#39289023)
> Others chase their children down with a belt while screaming obscenities. Both of these people are accepted in society if they describe their actions as 'spanking'.

Hitting children with a belt is neither broadly accepted by society nor is it legally acceptable. Calling it “spanking” doesn’t give people a free pass from the law.

Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by growingkittens on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:39AM (#39289075)
I live in the American South, where it is absolutely accepted by society and the law.
Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by wizerdrobe on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:59AM (#39289351)
Depending on state, IANAL but in “the South” (Carolina)…

I had a less than stellar household, was punched several times in the head by a parent so I put them in a headlock to get them to calm down. Spent several months in juvenile detention because of my “assault.”

Later came to learn, after my useless public defender advised I plead guilty, that would have been legally considered self defense.

About a year later the same parent started slapping me in the face. I called the police this time but to my disappointment was informed slaps are legally acceptable but closed-fist strikes are not. So a punch or hammer fist would be child abuse and criminally punishable. For further clarification, belts, breadboards, the famous “switch,” are all legal so long as it’s not physically, permanently damaging.

As with most things human law, it’s up to interpretation and will vary by responding officer and such.

This was circa 2008 so we’re not talking “1950s America” here.

Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by okwhateverdude on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @10:54AM (#39290035)
Man, I sincerely hope you had a jenny-throws-rocks-at-the-house moment later. Parents being shitty to their kids is the worst.
Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by PopAlongKid on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:53AM (#39289269)
>Hitting children with a belt is neither broadly accepted by society nor is it legally acceptable.

Maybe true in the 21st century, but certainly not true earlier than that. And re: sibling comment, it wasn't only happening in the American South but other regions as well.

Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by tamaharbor on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @10:00AM (#39289359)
Spanking is still legal corporal punishment at schools in at least 18 US states.
Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by masfoobar on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:01AM (#39288649)
What do you consider to be the correct meaning to "Spanking" ?

edit: No being difficult or troll -- just curious.

Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by growingkittens on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:29AM (#39288961)
There is no correct meaning of the word spanking, just a spectrum of meanings.

Each instance has to be evaluated individually, because the spectrum of possible meanings is so wide.

Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by lttlrck on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:27AM (#39288939)
Yes. It is a very broad term for inflicting pain using your hand or an implement...

Be careful what you advocate!

Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by JohnClark1337 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:16AM (#39288812)
"Gentle Parenting" is another instance. It could mean that you set boundaries but are more cautious about how you give punishments, attempting to fit the punishment to the bad deed. Or it could mean that you let the child do whatever they want and give them everything, teaching them that there are no negative consequences to their actions and that others are there to serve them.
Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by dang on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @01:55PM (#39292627)
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by growingkittens on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:59PM (#39294245)
Jackie Coogan suffered due to a lack of child protection laws - which still don't exist due to the strength of parent's rights in the US.
Re:Jackie Coogan and the Fall of Hollywood's Child Stars by dang on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @04:26PM (#39294525)
That would be the point of contact with the article, yes, but the thing about generic tangents is that they take off from a point and then head in a generic direction, one which is nearly always less interesting than the specifics of the article itself—and which if the topic is divisive at all, usually ends in a flamewar that is just a repetition of previous flamewars. On HN, we're trying to avoid this kind of thing and focus on curious conversation.

Btw I'm quite sure you didn't intend any of what I'm describing here. The point is that it happens unintentionally, and all too easily, so we all need to learn to consciously avoid it.

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