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Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by zshrc on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:07AM (#39251366)
HN is definitely going to remember that 14.4 is still in early beta.

But Apple might forget about us and deliver broken software ONCE AGAIN

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by FirmwareBurner on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:28AM (#39251612)
Counting down till the commenters start telling everyone to switch to Linux. Not that I disagree with them.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by neilv on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:52AM (#39251889)
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by badgersnake on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:48PM (#39252497)
Not much help if you’ve got an ARM Mac.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by Astraco on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:59PM (#39252594)
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by hu3 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:04PM (#39253259)
https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/M3-Series-Feature-Su...

A large list of things that don't work and are not even being worked on doesn't sound enticing.

Things like HDMI, WiFi and Bluetooth don't work and are not being worked on.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by winterqt on Sunday February 04, 2024 @03:09PM (#39253876)
M3 has only been out for a few months. Compare this to M2 and M1, where mostly everything works just fine with Asahi: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/M2-Series-Feature-Su...
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by neilv on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:17PM (#39253405)
For anyone who doesn't make using Apple hardware the top priority, might be a lot easier to just find more-open laptop hardware that you like, and use stock Debian atop that.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by soundnote on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:49AM (#39302541)
The monstrous battery life is a big draw.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by Astraco on Sunday February 04, 2024 @03:40PM (#39254212)
Then buy a M2 instead, or a Thinkpad or something.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by hu3 on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @11:40AM (#39276543)
Yep. That's what I did. Linux with multiple monitor support that just works.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by DannyBee on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:50PM (#39256124)
Wrong on both counts.

focus was on m2 to get the release out because that is where almost all the users are.

As a result, I was the main one working on m3 before the new year, and got it through to Linux kernel loading (ie m1n1 works) and running macos under the hypervisor. Patches are submitted.

I also happen to be the one doing a lot of the wifi work.

Wifi and Bluetooth work fine on m3 - the chipset is the same as the m2.

It's listed as not working because there is no released Linux support yet.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by hu3 on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:47AM (#39260177)
Well then I guess I'm reading it wrong. Everything reads TBA: https://i.imgur.com/3hnUneR.png

And the definition of TBA is on the same page:

"TBA: Active work on this feature is not being undertaken at this time"

Suggestion: Add a new status for "Awaiting release".

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by DannyBee on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:46AM (#39263255)
These are all community maintained by volunteers, so please feel free to add it yourself as well?

If not, i'll try to get to adding it and updating when i get some more free time :)

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by neilv on Sunday February 04, 2024 @01:08PM (#39252702)
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by ByQuyzzy on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:54PM (#39253731)
Why would you buy a proprietary computer if you don't like its matching proprietary OS? Just doesn't make sense.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by neilv on Sunday February 04, 2024 @03:55PM (#39254364)
Some people already have Apple hardware, or like the build quality or aesthetics it, or want the current fast CPU, or are single and think the Apple logo will let them pass as non-nerds in cafes.

I suspect most people would be happier with more-open hardware, even an ordinary consumer laptop intended for MS Windows. But if the barrier is that someone wants to use an Apple laptop, we can work with that.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by behnamoh on Sunday February 04, 2024 @05:18PM (#39255110)
Because I want to own the hardware I buy, not be at the mercy of the company that made it.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by Zambyte on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:16PM (#39255923)
That sounds more like a reason to not buy a proprietary computer in the first place.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by xcv123 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:55PM (#39256762)
Obviously makes sense if you prefer the hardware
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by bitwize on Sunday February 04, 2024 @01:08PM (#39252697)
I use Void btw.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by wkat4242 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @05:05PM (#39254998)
It's what I did too (well, BSD, not Linux).

I was just sick of Apple catering mainly to the rich consumer dicking around on Facebook and not to the more technical populace who wants to control what they own. I'm very happy to be off Apple, it really felt like a breath of fresh air and still does 3 years later.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by pjmlp on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:44AM (#39258753)
That has been Apple since the Mac Classic days, what is the surprise there?
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by kibibu on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:16AM (#39259418)
Early OSX had fewer guard rails, up to about Snow Leopard
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by pjmlp on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:54AM (#39260743)
Apple was almost bankrupt, they had to play nice for a split second.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by freitzkriesler2 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:22AM (#39251552)
But but Apple software Just Works! How do you sully the great name of Jobs and the Cult of Mac!

Death by iPod! Death by iPod! /s

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by mantas on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:15PM (#39252132)
I’ve a feeling this truly ended with the iPod. No more iPods and Apple software quality is going downhill pretty fast :(
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by treprinum on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:34PM (#39252352)
My top-specced 14" M3 Max has all kinds of weird issues I've never seen before - half of the screen going pink when I switch between local users too often, getting completely unresponsive with only power off helping, not mounting USB sticks by default with only some window appearing for a millisecond on the screen, battery lasting 5 hours in VSCode (!!!) etc.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by least on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:58PM (#39252593)
Not to say that the quality of OS updates has been stellar in the past several years, but Sonoma stands out as an especially buggy release.

I've encountered a lot of weird bugs, including it occasionally becoming completely unresponsive, that I've not had on this particular machine before. This machine being a 16 inch M1 Max.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by KennyBlanken on Sunday February 04, 2024 @01:01PM (#39252626)
You could, you know, take advantage of Apple's best-in-class support and service?

Also: the 5 hours in vscode thing is almost certainly some extension you're running that is constantly spinning its wheels. This isn't hard to figure out - just look in Activity Monitor.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by treprinum on Sunday February 04, 2024 @01:32PM (#39252953)
Nothing shows up eating more than 4% CPU. Also when I go to sleep with battery at 100%, turn off the WiFi for the night and close the lid, I often find battery at around 30% the next morning. Don't tell me it's a user problem. I suspect 128GB RAM is eating too much power or something. I also refuse to visit Apple "geniuses" as they don't honor appointment times (fed up from waiting 2 hours until somebody talked to me) and then going through 30 minutes of trivial questions before they actually do something. Not mentioning they always wipe out drives when they "fix" something and I end up with some refurb motherboard that failed for somebody else before.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by fullspectrumdev on Sunday February 04, 2024 @01:57PM (#39253200)
Apple support has not been best in class for years now.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by akyuu on Sunday February 04, 2024 @04:19PM (#39254594)
Is there any other laptop manufacturer that offers generally better support than Apple? I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by fullspectrumdev on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:46PM (#39256108)
I mean, I’ve found Apple support has become incredibly disappointing in the last 5 or so years, and Lenovo support has actually improved, though you usually have to mail your device in.

I’m legitimately unsure what changed in Apple to make their support go from “pretty damn good” to “honestly a waste of damn time”.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by stephenr on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:31PM (#39256304)
That you mention a specific app in regards to battery life suggests it's more likely an app specific problem.

I don't think it's a coincidence you're having poor battery life with an electron app.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by treprinum on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:33AM (#39259551)
Surprisingly I don't have that issue on my other two Macbooks. Also WiFi goes randomly down without any notification and so does USB charging. M3 Max for $8000. One would expect something less messy for that price.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by kmos17 on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:37AM (#39260608)
Are you running the apple silicon vs code? The performance difference (and battery life I imagine) is night and day. I had similar issues with an m2 and getting a m3 max has fixed them all, so might just be a hardware problem.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by stephenr on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:51AM (#39259689)
What model are the other MacBooks? Possibly it's something not optimised or even not compiled for arm.

Wifi can be a very mixed bag, the usb-c charging issue sounds like something worth taking/sending it back for (assuming it's not something obvious like a crappy usb charging brick).

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by treprinum on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:48AM (#39260185)
Other MacBooks are Intel and never drop WiFi. USB-C charger is the original 140W Apple one. If I send it back, I'll get a refurb mobo with another set of issues as returned by somebody else and not a new one, and all my data wiped out. I pay yearly AC+. I still hope some future OS release will fix it but I am not so sure.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by stephenr on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:19AM (#39262851)
If you're not willing to take it in to have what sounds like a hardware fault fixed under the warranty you're paying for and not using, I'm not really sure what you want, except something to complain about.

Warranties exist for a reason, if you choose not to make use of it, that's on you, not the manufacturer.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by treprinum on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:54PM (#39264212)
From my past experience Apple replaces the faulty board with another (previously) faulty board they attempted to repair and which passed their initial stress test, only giving up ghost within 2 years. Happened to me twice before. If I had a guarantee they put in a new board, that would be different.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by freitzkriesler2 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @01:35PM (#39252978)
It is, apparently no one can handle sarcasm on this forum.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by KennyBlanken on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:16PM (#39253403)
It's not "broken." Apple has been increasingly hostile to "traditional" file servers (dropping AFP support - AFP is still superior to SMB both performance and compatibility-wise) and non-iCloud file sync services. They also disabled third party cloud syncing to folders on external drives fairly recently. I'm blanking but there were other changes in Ventura related to third party cloud sync, too.

There's a reason your iPhone/iPad defaults, every fucking time you try to save a file, to iCloud storage and the "default storage location" option was removed from preferences.

Apple is taking the "frog in the pot of boiling water" approach, slowly pushing everyone toward iCloud file storage, despite it being a dogshit service with numerous problems because the dev team are more interested in coordinating their nail color to their McLaren (I wish I was joking.)

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by CharlesW on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:30PM (#39253526)
> There's a reason your iPhone/iPad defaults, every fucking time you try to save a file, to iCloud storage and the "default storage location" option was removed from preferences.

I assume you're right about Apple removing the preference, but I just shared a photo, picked "Save to Files" and it defaulted to Cryptomator. In case it's helpful to know, you can also turn off "iCloud Drive" as a Location.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the fil... by illiac786 on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @02:43PM (#39279495)
TresorIt can synchronise file to and from folders on external drives just fine. Don't know why others don't want to implement it...